Working from Home, tax and Multinationals

Amazon have a problem in that they hired AWS staff like mad starting from the Covid lockdowns and continuing until a year or so ago. Bringing everyone back to to office is a cheap way of reducing staff numbers.
 
joe sod said:
Lots of people loudly proclaimed that people would never return to pubs or live music again and that was also the new normal
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Lots of people lacked perspective during Covid. My mother asked me if I though that the restaurants and pubs would ever open again. I said that they opened after the Black Death which killed one person in three (in many places one in two) in Europe so yes, they'll probably open again after Covid. Massive social and societal changes imposed upon us due to temporary external circumstances tend to be as temporary as the circumstances.
 
I see intel new chief announced job cuts last week, he wants less bureaucracy, cutting out some management jobs and much less working from home at most only 1 day a week working from home, probably people that were able to work from home are now in the firing line. Anyone that needs to be on site every day is probably crucial to it's operations now. We are seeing the real repercussions of all the covid lock downs now
 
Another downside from working from home is Irish team workers in Irish based Multinational Companies working from home have allowed team members from other Countries working from offices to get the upper hand,
I expect this to play a big part when it comes to letting people go,

Irish workers working from home may feel they preformed just as good or even better working from home
But they were not in minding the shop for want of a better word,
The gave up home advantage and are losing there anchor on teams,

Sad part is they were encouraged by there own Government in Ireland,
 
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AA leo now
real life and work is more complex than that surely you know that by now,
 
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Leo said:
Anyone in management who values presenteeism over productivity shouldn't be in the job.
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Many organisations, particularly smaller ones, older ones, and State bodies, do not have good/any metrics for measuring productivity.
 
I can only comment from my experience but in my case, I totally disagree. I work for a MNC, most of us (80%) work from home and I am only out of the home office to meet the clients or where we do get together for a couple of days as a team to work through things collectively. I can truthfully say I can't name a single person in my company, my suppliers/partners or clients who works from home and was made redundant as a result.

Irish people invariably are made redundant because it is easier to do so then in countries like France or Germany and also because we are horribly expensive. I can get 3 effective support technicians from Bulgaria or Poland for the price of 1 in Ireland. Ireland has priced itself out of a lot of roles. Hence we move things offshore, not because the Irish person is working from home, but because the Irish person is too expensive.
 
Purple said:
Many organisations, particularly smaller ones, older ones, and State bodies, do not have good/any metrics for measuring productivity.
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I've been managing people for a couple of decades, and while it makes it a lot easier particularly in some industries, if you know your job you don't need to quantify output. You should be able to easily spot the spoofers and dossers through observation and talking to the people you manage and others they interact with. Very few managers have so many direct reports now that they can't do regular checks on output.

Now, I'll grant you that in organisations built upon layers of inefficiency and incompetence, where everyone sees their job as protecting what they have and doing as little as they can get away with, that's not going to work.
 
JoeRoberts said:
You obviously don't work in the real world or if you do its a very exclusive element of it.
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I work in a multi-national IT company that is very much committed to continuing to support hybrid working. It's an organisation that takes performance management seriously and incentivises managers to do their job properly. Talking to peers in the industry it's far from unique.
 
Presenteeism does not equal productivity, but in my experience/field you can only become productive by being at least some time in the presence of colleagues/peers/clients/stakeholders. Otherwise no one would ever bother travelling to other offices for visits or we would never have off sites etc. It is much more complex than in office or remote. Some things are just better and more productively done in person.

And agreed you don't always need metrics to spot the underperformers but people who are reluctant to see the benefit of in person work will eventually become less productive. And those will be targets of severance programmes.

The ideal is what a lot of people have now, hybrid and flexible, we can all make it work when we need to be in person but work around our lives when working remotely.
 
Leo said:
. It's an organisation that takes performance management seriously and incentivises managers to do their job properly.
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Why would the managers need to be incentivised to do their job that they are supposed to be doing anyway? (Just mirroring your earlier post. )
 
JoeRoberts said:
Why would the managers need to be incentivised to do their job that they are supposed to be doing anyway? (Just mirroring your earlier post. )
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Why would you not incentivise all roles and give greater rewards to those doing the best job? Base pay is just that, those who perform their roles better than their peers get the greatest pay rises and bonuses.
 
Leo said:
It's only complex if you're out of your depth
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when you don't feel that your feet are quite touching the bottom you are just about right to do something exciting
you know the old saying I hope you do
People who judge others as being out of there depth, when they are actually the ones struggling to understand,
 
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bkenn14 said:
People who judge others as being out of there depth, when they are actually the ones struggling to understand,
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Any business where all the management are completely out of their depth, or which has an inability to identify and deal with individual managers who are out of their depth will likely fail.
 
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