Wills and Guardianship of Children

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We are married and have dependant children. We have no will made at the moment. We have nobody to ask to take over guardianship of our children in the event that something might happen to both of us, and to be honest this is why we haven't made one before now. Our solicitor has pointed out the importance of this and said that if we don't nominate people, that we don't really need to make a will for any other reasons.

Questions - what happens if something happens one of us with no will made? Isn't some money/assets frozen for the children when they are of age, potentially leaving the remaining spouse tight financially? If we make a will, does this sort this out financially?

Question - What have other couples done with regard to guardianship? Do most people do nothing and hope for the best???

Would appreciate any advice and thoughts please!
 
Questions - what happens if something happens one of us with no will made?
Regarding assets/estate...
Regarding the children - if both of you die:


If you do not have a Will or have not appointed a guardian then the courts will have to appoint a guardian.
If just one of you dies then obviously the surviving spouse remains guardian/custodian of the children.
 
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It is very important to have a will if you have any assets at all. I would also think if important to make provision for your dependant kids. What if your widow met somebody else? Or squandered money in grief.
 
Thanks.

No, no immediate family living in the country on either side. Only person here is one elderly parent....not even sure if that is a good thing/possible, etc. No friends that close to ask such a big thing of them. What do other people do in our situation?
 
Questions - what happens if something happens one of us with no will made? Isn't some money/assets frozen for the children when they are of age, potentially leaving the remaining spouse tight financially? If we make a will, does this sort this out financially?
If A and B are married with children X, Y and Z, and A dies without having made a will, B inherits two-thirds of A's estate and the remaining one-third goes to X, Y and Z in equal shares — so, one-ninth each.

If X, Y and Z are minors they can't give a receipt for the property they are entitled to. Plus, they couldn't manage/administer the property if it were transferred to them. So what effectively happens is that the administration of A's estate is prolonged until the youngest child turns 18, which may be many years. The administrator has to look after the children's property until it can be handed it over to them, but they have limited powers and must do so very conservatively — meaning, for example, that if there's a lot of cash they can't invest in shares or property; they just keep it on deposit earning (these days) very little interest and being eroded by inflation. Once each kid turns 18 they are entitled to their share, even if they are young and stupid and have a peanut for a brain and will foreseeably waste it.

A can make a will which can avoid these problems. There are two common ways to do this:
  • A makes a will leaving their entire estate to B, if B survives A. A may be confident about doing this because they know that B cares about the children, will look after them, will deal with the property wisely and will make (or has already made) a will leaving B's estate (including anything inherited from A) to the children (who hopefully will be adults by the time B dies).
  • A can make a will leaving a share of the estate to the children, but establishing a trust to administer the kid's shares until they are old enough to take responsibility for themselves. B is appointed as the trustee, and is given the authority to make investment decisions and other choices that an administrator couldn't or wouldn't make. B is also given the authority to retain professional advisers to advise them about the decisions they have to make, if they feel they need professional support. Basically, the will sets up a structure that can manage the minor children's money more prudently and effectively than an estate in administration can do.
In making their Will, A also needs to consider the possibility that when they die B will already have died, or that B will die at the same time as A (e.g. in a car crash). In this case A will want to leave the entire estate to the kids and, again, he will want to provide for a trust to administer it until the kids are old enough to take over. In this scenario B won't be around to act as trustee, so the will must say who is to be trustee. Usually it's family members — the family members who, you hope, would step up to care for and look after the kids anyway in a scenario like this. Obviously, A will need to ask for their agreement before he makes a will naming them as trustees. (The will will also name them as guardians of the children.)
 
No, no immediate family living in the country on either side.
There should be no issue appointing guardians who do not live in Ireland. Most people are happy to take on the role of guardian because the chances of it happening are very slight, and they would be honoured to do so if a terrible accident happened. If you do not want a family member who else is in your children’s life? Friends, neighbours? Maybe one child has a friend whose parents you like and admire and would trust them to raise your children as they do their own.

I think almost every parent has a will nominating guardians to their children in the unlikely event both parents die before the children are adults. Otherwise the state will take them into care, they may end up split up in foster families. And an aunt or uncle in another country may be desperate to bring up their nephews/nieces but may have very little standing to do in Irish law, unless they were clearly nominated in the will.
 
I think almost every parent has a will nominating guardians to their children in the unlikely event both parents die before the children are adults. Otherwise the state will take them into care . . .
This is pretty much the last option. In the event that both parents die leaving a minor child or children and there is no guardian, other family members or close friends of the deceased do step up because you would, wouldn't you? And if Tusla becomes involved, one of the first things they do is look for extended family members who are ready to support and care for the children, and are fit and proper people to do so. An application can be made to court to appoint a guardian or guardians for the children; Tusla will usually be much happier supporting application that than they will be applying to take the children into care.

But, still, all parents of minor children should make a will that nominates guardians, because that will avoid a long period of uncertainty and an expensive court application, and it's very much in your children's interests that that should be avoided. Plus, you must have some views about who you would like to act as guardian to your orphaned children (and, often, who you definitely don't want to act) and this is your opportunity to have those views count for something.
 
OP I think you need to decide on your best option for a guardian and ask them if they would be willing to take on the role. It is far far better than leaving this to the state to decide. Realise that this is a worst case scenario outcome and the chances of it happening while not zero, are very low. Also that when your eldest child turns 18, they might be the best option for a guardian than someone who lives in a different country - depending on their maturity level and maybe with the guidance of your previous guardian. You can update your will once they turn 18.
 
Also that when your eldest child turns 18, they might be the best option for a guardian than someone who lives in a different country - depending on their maturity level and maybe with the guidance of your previous guardian. You can update your will once they turn 18.
I don't think it would be a good idea for an 18-year old to be guardian to their younger siblings. Being a parent and being a brother/sister are very different relationships, and it's a lot to ask so young a person to navigate both at the same time.
 
I agree that an 18 year old might not be the best option if there are alternatives, but a mature 18 year old might be better than someone who lives in a different country or a distant relative.

OP we struggled with who to name as guardian, and I am not 100% happy with our choice if I am being honest, as there is no-one who will raise our children like we would. But weighing up the chances of them ever having to act in this capacity gives me comfort that it will probably not come to pass so I can't worry about it too much.
 
Remember that guardianship might not mean living with the kids 24/7. Boarding school for instance might be an option. And it might be your preference to foster care if there really is no one available. My granny was guardian for a niece, her parents plan was for her to go to a particular boarding school which they left funds to cover. But granny made calls on various matters and she stayed with granny during holidays etc. You could argue that sending a child away wasn’t ideal but granny’s house was tiny and crowded and her nice was from a wealthy family home and inner city Dublin was likely to be more of a culture shock than the school she had always envisaged going to.
Worked out ok for all. There was another guardian who made financial decisions and he provided sufficient cash for granny.
 
Thanks so much, you have given me lots to think about.
If I had to pick somebody right at this moment....it would be the elderly parent. Far from ideal....however, 76, relatively fit and healthy, independent, of sound mind, all at the moment. Lives very close by. It would not disrupt the children's routines. Eldest child is 15.
Are there any reasons why a solicitor may be opposed to this?
What happens if this person develops something e.g dementia....what needs to be done then?
Really just trying to make the best of a not great situation.
It's really dawning on me, you would anything for your kids and yet we don't have this sorted!
 
No, no immediate family living in the country on either side.
Well then consider the possibility of the courts in one or both countries getting involved. You probably don’t want that.


Otherwise the chances of a married couple both aged 35 both dying before their newborn reaches the age of 18 is extremely low. And both in the same event even lower again.
 
If I had to pick somebody right at this moment....it would be the elderly parent. Far from ideal....however, 76, relatively fit and healthy, independent, of sound mind, all at the moment. Lives very close by. It would not disrupt the children's routines. Eldest child is 15.
The age of the youngest child is the more salient consideration. The guardian is an important figure as long as any of the children are minors.
What happens if this person develops something e.g dementia....what needs to be done then?
You can provide for alternatives in you will — "I appoint my father M as the guardian of any minor children who survive me, but if my father M predeceases me or is unwilling or unable to act then I appoint my sister N . . ."
 
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