Pakis is a term thats construed by some as offencive, but in fairness I don't see any difference between that and calling a Scottish person a Scot.
Why didn't poster also use "itai" or "paddy"?
A man old enough to be my father once told me to f off back to my 'own country' for having the cheek to beep my northern reg'd car after he nearly ran me off the road...One comeback that will stop all jokes about bombings is to respond along the following lines and be deadpan serious as you do it - works every time. Saw it used to great effect by a friend who while illegally parking a Dublin registered car in the UK was approached by a police officer who made a joke that it wouldnt be good to illegally park an Irish registered car due to bomb scares etc. [I am not expressing any politican views, so do take anything from the below - just a great way of stopping a joker in his tracks].
...dont get the joke.....dont see the connection between bombs and Ireland?.....sure we're a neutral country who's never fought in any wars...
Joker usually responds with a reference to the troubles.
....what have the troubles got to do with Ireland?....isnt Northern Ireland part of the UK?......one bunch of British citizens bombing another bunch of British citizens...whats that got to do with me, I'm from Dublin [insert other locations as appropriate]...we're not into this bombing our fellow citizens stuff... shame you Brits cant get along with one another.....
It's a term construed by the majority as being offensive. It's the same as referring to a Scottish person as a "jock" or Irish as a "paddy", not the example you gave. It is a shortening of the country name, but its sole use was as a derogatory and demeaning term.
Why didn't poster also use "itai" or "paddy"?
Strangest of all is that Nigger started as a term of abuse toward Indian people.Nigger and queer can have similarly complicated usage in practice but cleverly, both groups referenced have managed to partially usurp the respective terms. Again, doesn't mean they are not offensive terms though.
Rather bizarrely then, a black man for example could conceivably cause offence to a white person by using the term nigger. What a semantically complicated world we live in.
An Indian friend of mine takes grave offence to the P word. I don't think it is just as simple as a shortened version of people from Pakistan. An Indian is not from Pakistan anyway, so why call them that.
Also, the same way as the Romanian people object to all the Roma being labelled Romanians and giving them a bad name.
The sortened version of Pakistani was used as a battle cry by racist neo-nazi organisations in England, and as such, in the UK in particular, it has negatvie connotations and is not used to describe people from Pakistan except by the ignorant or deliberately offensive.
For a generation large swathes of Irish men went to England and they were perceived, rightly or wrongly, as Paddy the Navvy or Mick the Bomber. When someone has a strong Irish accent they may come across as naive, uninformed and unintelligent rather the shrewd people that they often are. This combined with rampant alcohol abuse has helped create a stereotype of an Irish person in Britain.
Nowadays, Irish political and current affairs serve to perpetuate that stereotype. One viewing of the RTE Nine O'Clock news is viewed as parody by many in England. From the amateurish production of the programme to the personal appearance of the politicians ( minister for health & former minister for defence) not to mention the endemic political corruption, handling of sexual abuse by priests, grotesquely inflated public sector pay & social welfare rates. I often cringe when I think of English people tuning in.
Having had personal experience of the English approach to someone from Ireland, the initial ' friendly' response is a wistful look and some reference to alcohol consumption / abuse, which I find irritating and ( largely unintentionally) pejorative.
Collectively, I have found that Ireland is viewed as a bit of a joke really - a mickey-mouse country where you go for a break from real life hence the proliferation of Irish jokes.
For a generation large swathes of Irish men went to England and they were perceived, rightly or wrongly, as Paddy the Navvy or Mick the Bomber. When someone has a strong Irish accent they may come across as naive, uninformed and unintelligent rather the shrewd people that they often are. This combined with rampant alcohol abuse has helped create a stereotype of an Irish person in Britain.
Nowadays, Irish political and current affairs serve to perpetuate that stereotype. One viewing of the RTE Nine O'Clock news is viewed as parody by many in England. From the amateurish production of the programme to the personal appearance of the politicians ( minister for health & former minister for defence) not to mention the endemic political corruption, hadling of sexual abuse by priests, grotesquely inflated public sector pay & social welfare rates. I often cringe when I think of English people tuning in.
Having had personal experience of the English approach to someone from Ireland, the initial ' friendly' response is a wistful look and some reference to alcohol consumption / abuse, which I find irritating and ( largely unintentionally) pejorative.
Collectively, I have found that Ireland is viewed as a bit of a joke really - a mickey-mouse country where you go for a break from real life hence the proliferation of Irish jokes.
Agree with most of the above.
Went on a training course to the UK, maybe about 10 years ago. Firstly, I was asked if I felt safe in Dublin (from the bombs?), to which I explained there was probably more risk (if any) of them being bombed.
Secondly, we went for a drink and they were surprised I did not drink Guinness.
It was a Countryish part of England. They were not being smart or rude in any way, just that was their preception of Ireland.
Most of the "Indian" restaurants that I know - both here and across the water - are Pakastani staffed or run. Lots of Indians would tell Pakistani/Bangladeshi jokes. Just as Dubs would tell Culshee jokes, Culshees tell Dub jokes. It's the way of the world.An Indian friend of mine takes grave offence to the P word. I don't think it is just as simple as a shortened version of people from Pakistan. An Indian is not from Pakistan anyway, so why call them that.
Also, the same way as the Romanian people object to all the Roma being labelled Romanians and giving them a bad name.
For a generation large swathes of Irish men went to England and they were perceived, rightly or wrongly, as Paddy the Navvy or Mick the Bomber. When someone has a strong Irish accent they may come across as naive, uninformed and unintelligent rather the shrewd people that they often are. This combined with rampant alcohol abuse has helped create a stereotype of an Irish person in Britain.
Nowadays, Irish political and current affairs serve to perpetuate that stereotype. One viewing of the RTE Nine O'Clock news is viewed as parody by many in England. From the amateurish production of the programme to the personal appearance of the politicians ( minister for health & former minister for defence) not to mention the endemic political corruption, handling of sexual abuse by priests, grotesquely inflated public sector pay & social welfare rates. I often cringe when I think of English people tuning in.
Having had personal experience of the English approach to someone from Ireland, the initial ' friendly' response is a wistful look and some reference to alcohol consumption / abuse, which I find irritating and ( largely unintentionally) pejorative.
Collectively, I have found that Ireland is viewed as a bit of a joke really - a mickey-mouse country where you go for a break from real life hence the proliferation of Irish jokes.
I was asked recently at a training meeting in the UK if there was still a wall between North & South, and he was not joking. I just said it came down years ago. If another nations perception of us is ridiculously off kilter then so what, it only becomes a problem if British people with brains and in positions of power to bring employment here have the same perception.
I'm sure Neo-Nazi's used plenty of terms including blacks and Paki's but they were describing groups that they hated. I think it is a little thin skinned to be offended by the word and i wonder do the bleeding hearts get more offended by it than anyone from Pakistan.
It's a term construed by the majority as being offensive. It's the same as referring to a Scottish person as a "jock" or Irish as a "paddy", not the example you gave. It is a shortening of the country name, but its sole use was as a derogatory and demeaning term.
Why didn't poster also use "itai" or "paddy"?
I think it a little ignorant to not see that some words only exist as a means of being derogatory. Whether or not they entered the general lexicon is irrelevant. That was in different times with different generations. Fortunately we moved on.
It's not to say I'd jump up and down at every word, it's just "paki" is and always was a derogatory word used generally for anyone from that region.
Pakis is a term thats construed by some as offencive, but in fairness I don't see any difference between that and calling a Scottish person a Scot.
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