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Gunnerbar said:I haven't seen any Sky reports since he died and only a few documentaries on the man so I wouldn't say I was "caught up in the emotion of the whole thing" but I do feel that the world has lost a very personable, charitable and empathic man who did a lot for freedom around the world. Granted he was very conservative and could have been more progressive and he also made mistakes but I hope the new pope will be a little more liberal.
Yeah - that sort of thing. I have no problem with people who profess a particular faith and practice accordingly, especially when they accord me the same respect in not having any religious beliefs. However I do find atavistic "going through the motions" participation in religious ceremonies not based on any fundamental belief/faith but because it's the "done thing" quite hypocritical and demeaning/insulting to those who do have genuine beliefs. But each to their own I suppose.Gunnerbar said:What I think is a lot worse is that some couples will really push for a church wedding even though they may not have set foot in a church for years. Maybe it's these couple's that prance around the altar like it was a football pitch that you were talking about Clubman.
cuchulainn said:I agree with Both Clubman and Gunner here. I think there is a 'frenzy' to be there and while there is nothing wrong with that I think a little reflection might not go amiss.
cuchulainn said:As for couples using the church to get married in and not being regular attendees, I think that using the church is fine and if they have their own faith and believe in that then its ok with me. What I do object to is couples spending months planning the actual wedding day and not putting much further thought or effort into the actual marriage. Hence some marriages are in trouble from day 2. or perhaps day 15.
cuchulainn said:I also think that teenagers who drift away from church attendance now are not necessarily leaving for good. Merely 'finding' themselves and they will return in their own good time.
extopia said:>> what about the banco ambrosio affair?
What about it? That was three popes ago -- Pope Paul. Many people think it led to the assassination of John Paul I, who was attempting to "clean up" the Vatican Bank. Although I suppose you could argue that JP2 didn't do much about it when he came to power.
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