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Ok then, let me try it a 3rd time, since you didn't seem to get it the first two times, when I said;Idle speculation? Ok, I need some clarification of my own at this stage if you don't mind.
Just to be absolutely clear, are you saying that the link/text from Mpsox/Howitzer is simply a fabrication?
Since I know you have issues with the Indo are you honestly claiming that you have not heard of this yourself via other media?
That doesn't say anything about the union being 'short on funds' as Caveat has claimed.
You claimed that the unions were short on funds. It is now clear that you had no justification for this claim, beyond some idle speculation from right-wing media.
[broken link removed]'s two biggest public service unions have been building up huge war chests ahead of possible strike action.
Ok then, let me try it a 3rd time, since you didn't seem to get it the first two times, when I said
That article does not say anything about the union being short on funds. In fact, the
So come on, make your mind up, which Indo article would you like me to believe today?
Glad to see that we're agreed that there was no basis for this claim.You can try it as many times as you like. You seem to have some silly pedantic issue with the specific phrase 'short on funds'. I have no interest in discussing it further.
Again, great to see that we are in agreement. It is a rag, and I don't really believe anything they say. When you see two completely contradictory headlilnes from articles just two months apart, it completely exposes the complete lack of any journalistic standard.Unlike, it seems some PS workers and union apologists (many of whom only started disliking the Indo when they were told to), I happen to think it's a very poor paper and always have done. This of course does not mean that everything printed in it is a lie.
Which leads me to...
Oh the irony. Have a quick look through this site and see how many times PS defenders have whined on about it being a 'rag' and 'anti-PS' etc only to miraculously develop the ability to accept an article as long as it supports their view.
Two months between the two articles, not a year. If I had to go do my own research for every unfounded anti-union claim here on AAM, I really wouldn't have time to work/rest/play. It would be a full-time job in itself, so I'll decline your kind offer on that one.Re the the 'war chest' story - haven't heard until now. Doesn't really matter since there is almost a year between the two articles and things can change. The news about the unions losing millions via risky investments was certainly not limited to the Indo. But if you don't accept it maybe you can do your own research.
Yes, the "your beloved indo" line remins me of a child saying "well why don't your just marry it so!"My beloved Indo?
Unlike, it seems some PS workers and union apologists (many of whom only started disliking the Indo when they were told to), I happen to think it's a very poor paper and always have done. This of course does not mean that everything printed in it is a lie.
Which leads me to...
Oh the irony. Have a quick look through this site and see how many times PS defenders have whined on about it being a 'rag' and 'anti-PS' etc only to miraculously develop the ability to accept an article as long as it supports their view.
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It sounds to me like they did this for the accolades they received and now that the massaging of their egos is no longer being given they are no longer prepared to do it...
And so what that they did this,they didn't have to,they choose to do it,hence the word voluntary.
There are thousands of people who volunteer to do stuff like this.
They are not special just because they are teachers..
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QUOTE=Deiseblue;1039442]Perhaps I wasn't quite clear , the two men in question ran the soccer teams on a purely voluntary basis for 20 years and never expected any pay for it.
They mowed and lined pitches , picked up kids and dropped them off and organised refs etc. if anything it cost them a fortune in petrol costs and these guys raised thousandsby fundraising.
While they certainly expected little thanks they did not expect to be denigrated in the media or by members of the public for simply being teachers.
Is it any wonder that after 20 years they have decided to call it quits ?
Indeed it is a stressful job but aas you saw the compensatory elements of the job are very good , these however are the terms and conditions that Government as employer signed up to and which the teachers are entitled to defend.".
It sounds to me like they did this for the accolades they received and now that the massaging of their egos is no longer being given they are no longer prepared to do it...
And so what that they did this,they didn't have to,they choose to do it,hence the word voluntary.
There are thousands of people who volunteer to do stuff like this.
They are not special just because they are teachers..
These men did it both for the love of the game and to help the kids in their charge for over 20 years and to suggest otherwise is simply unfair.
They are angry , disillusioned and have now decided that they have done enough , more than enough I would have said.
Perhaps the fact that you are obviously hugely envious of your sister's great job , foreign holidays , two houses and earning power has coloured your observations on teachers.
More luck to her I say !
Two months between the two articles, not a year.
The following is how I drew my conclusion;
Your point re the teachers anger etc you said was due to anger,bitterness and disillusionment.Which once again, (based on your facts they have been doing willingly for 20 years),means that because their pay is affected, they are now withdrawing this service.
To further help make this clear, when they were paid well,ie;not angry bitter disillusioned they did it willingly.
Now what part of that does not conclude that because their pay is affected they will no longer do it?
I feel it is a fair conclusion.
My feeling is still the unions will accept the deal.
I think the point being made with the example related partially to pay, but also to the perception of teachers, as given in your example of your sister. Many teachers do extra and put in additional time on a voluntary basis (many others do too in other employment). I took up the example to reflect that it was as much them being tired as being portrayed as workshy and just doing the minimum (as in teachers are paid X amount for X hours with X holidays) and the additional work they put in contributing to school teams etc isn't recognised.
I don't think it unreasonable that those teachers who do put extra effort being annoyed that all are portrayed as workshy, lazy, etc. So as I saw it the pay was the straw that broke the camel's back.
My point still remains that whatever it was that caused this to happen,it didn't happen before the pay cuts.
Couldn't agree with you more ,it is the action or inaction of the MAJORITY who spoil things..Latrade;]The simple moral being that like a lot of things in life it's the actions (or inactions) of a majority who spoil it for the majority of reasonable, hard working, sensible people.
Latrade
Every after school activity my kids go to ,is paid for by me.
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