Brendan Burgess
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To be fair, I don't know if anyone noticed. These were business loans, and UB refunded thousands of them.From reading your story, it appears that they applied the incorrect rate. I am surprised that you did not notice this at the time.
I can't do that, it would mean I'd underpaid income tax. And If you do that there are penalties and interest.On the tax returns, you do not need to redo them.
Presumably in 2012, you your tax return was something like
Rental income €30,000
interest charged: 14,000
Less interest refunded by UB: 10,500
Net interest charged: 3,500
Rental profit 26,500
Likewise for 2019 and later refunds.
If you did not reduce the interest claimed by the refund, you should contact Revenue along the lines of - "I understood that this was a tracker refund and therefore that UB would sort out the tax. They are now saying that they won't. Accordingly, I have reduced the interest charged this year by €x".
Brendan
All I knew what they were charging me the cost of funds plus my margin. I had no idea what the Cost of Funds were. I only realised what that was later, and honestly I couldn't figure it out. I was happy with the rate. Because I know the rates on the market. I assumed they were charging me correctly. I linked the historical cost of funds, I'm not so good as to think I could figure out massive calculations like that. Most of the time I was fixed so it seemed ok to me. Now I don't believe anything they calculate. And while you are surprised at me, are you not more surprised at how many times Ulster, along with their external auditors have got the figures wrong. I have no idea if they are correct now either.Did they charge you the right interest?
From reading your story, it appears that they applied the incorrect rate. I am surprised that you did not notice this at the time.
It would be very time consuming to go back over the last ten years and very expensive for a forensic accountant to check it out for you. And it is likely that they did it correctly. So you would be spending a lot of time and money for nothing.
I would say - sort out your tax affairs if you did not declare the refund and then move on with your life.
Brendan
The cost of funds seems to change every two weeks, on odd days. I have for some years that. (2010 - 2014) Plus now in the link I've the cost of funds going back to 2012. Their link does not go back to 2005. Not sure why. As RedOnion said, it would be impossible for me to understand it.Ah ok.
So Bronte would have been notified that the Cost of Funds is x% and would have had to accept their word for it. But in fact their Cost of Funds was lower than x% under the formula used in her mortgage agreement.
Brendan
Because they only made the change in 2012. Until then it was correct for everyone.Plus now in the link I've the cost of funds going back to 2012. Their link does not go back to 2005. Not sure why.
They didn't tell me anything in 2012 though. But oddly that's the year the large overcharge came to light. So something triggered that with my Relationship Manager who telephoned me about it. He had been at a meeting, which makes sense now. Bet I wasn't the only one so. But I know I was odd, because these loans are not for Landlords like me. And I never met anyone else with one.Because they only made the change in 2012. Until then it was correct for everyone.
Because they didn't know about it in 2012.They didn't tell me anything in 2012 though.
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