Tokenized US Stocks and ETF's on EU Robinhood

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Mods I guessed this forum is more appropriate than the crypto one, as it's not a crypto discussion per se, though one is used in the underlying mechanics of this. Hope that's ok.

I was wondering what people thought of this week's rollout on Robinhood EU crypto platform of tokenized US stocks and ETF's? - https://robinhood.com/eu/en/invest/
Also - https://cdn.robinhood.com/assets/robinhood/legal/stock_tokens_kid_eu.pdf

They are derivatives so basically based on thin air but according to Robinhood will exactly track the real stock/ETF price at the time. Plus, they pay dividends as per the stock/ETF they are derived from.
But that's a positive too - no underlying asset so you get to participate in tokenized/ derivative versions of the big US ETFs and stocks with no deemed disposal or regional restrictions with CGT taxation treatment. Interestingly in the app they do have KIDs for all the US ETF's tokenized.

Robinhood is a NASDAQ market listed company so presumably has to abide by certain audit standards which is reassuring, but not sure if these count for this offering which isn't released in the US so far.

I would love to just buy VOO, SPY or QQQ and forget about it, right now I'm in JAM and ATT but risk is higher (performance, all other thing being equal) as are the charges, but they are not derivatives.
Kraken announced something similar too this week but it's not available in the UK or EU yet and as far as I can see excludes dividends.

So, what do you think, too risky, an answer to our deemed disposal prayers or some else
 
So, I opened a RH account today and insta funded as only N26 does.
Bought some SPY and QQQ instantly at spot prices, like it.
 
Hello,

Am I correct in thinking that:

- inventors wont own actual shares?

- investors won't have voting rights?

- investors don't get any dividends?

- price will "loosely" track the market price, for quoted equities, while non quoted equities area at the mercy of the God's ?
 
US-Domiciled ETFs vs Irish UCITS – Tax Treatment under Irish Law

Introduction


Irish tax law distinguishes between investments in domestic/EU-regulated funds and investments in other foreign funds. This distinction determines whether an Irish investor’s returns are taxed under the “gross roll-up” exit tax regime (at 41% under Taxes Consolidation Act 1997 (TCA) section 747D) or under ordinary income and capital gains tax rules. In particular, U.S.-domiciled Exchange-Traded Funds (ETFs) – which are not EU-regulated UCITS funds – raise the question of whether they are treated as “offshore funds” subject to the exit tax regime, or as ordinary share investments taxed at standard income/capital gains rates. This report evaluates whether U.S.-domiciled distributing ETFs are considered “materially the same” as Irish-domiciled UCITS or equivalent funds for Irish tax purposes, and thus fall under the 41% exit tax regime, or whether they are treated differently under general tax principles. Key definitions, Revenue guidance on “materially similar” funds, regulatory equivalence tests, reporting obligations, and relevant expert commentary are discussed. A comparative table of tax treatment is also provided for clarity.


The Irish Gross Roll-Up Exit Tax Regime (Section 747D)


Irish collective investment vehicles (funds) approved by the Central Bank of Ireland (such as Irish-domiciled UCITS funds) are taxed under a special “gross roll-up” regime . Under this regime, the fund’s income and gains accumulate tax-free within the fund, and instead the investor is taxed on “exit events” (such as distributions, redemptions, or disposals) at a fixed exit tax rate of 41% . Key features of the gross roll-up exit tax regime include:

  • 41% Tax on Income and Gains: All distributions (income) and gains upon disposal are taxed at 41% income tax (often called exit tax) for the individual investor . No additional USC or PRSI applies to these payments . (Section 747D TCA 1997 charges 41% tax on any “payment” from a relevant offshore fund, which covers both distribution and disposal proceeds .)
  • No Capital Gains Treatment: Gains are not eligible for the standard 33% Capital Gains Tax (CGT) rate; instead they are taxed as income at 41%, and losses cannot be offset against other gains . Likewise, losses from elsewhere cannot shelter offshore fund gains .
  • Eight-Year Deemed Disposal: To prevent indefinite tax deferral, an investor is deemed to dispose of and immediately reacquire the fund investment every 8 years, triggering exit tax on accrued unrealised gains at that point . (Credit is given for this tax on a eventual real disposal to avoid double tax.)
  • No Remittance Basis for Non-Domiciles: If the investor is Irish-resident but non-domiciled, the remittance basis does not apply to gains from these funds. The gains are classified as taxable foreign income (Schedule D Case IV), meaning they are taxable in Ireland even if not remitted .
  • Deemed Disposal on Death: If an investor dies holding a fund under this regime, the interest is deemed disposed of immediately before death (at market value), and 41% exit tax applies on any gain . (This exit tax can credit against any Capital Acquisitions Tax for the beneficiary, but if the beneficiary is a spouse – where CAT does not apply – the credit is effectively lost .)

This exit tax regime aims to tax “offshore income gains” comparably to domestic funds and prevent conversion of what would be income into potentially lower-taxed capital gains by using offshore accumulation vehicles . The 41% rate approximates the higher rate of income tax (40%) plus 1% surcharge, and importantly, no further USC/PRSI is due on these amounts .

However, not all foreign investment products are subject to this regime. The legislation narrowly defines which foreign funds qualify as equivalent to Irish funds (and thus fall under the 41% exit tax rules). If a product is not within that definition, it is taxed under normal income and CGT rules. The crucial test is whether the investment is an “offshore fund” in a “good jurisdiction” that is “similar in all material respects” to an Irish regulated fund .


“Offshore Fund” Definition and Equivalence Test

Irish tax law provides a broad definition of an “offshore fund.” Under TCA 1997 s.743(1), an offshore fund can include “a non-resident company, a unit trust scheme with non-resident trustees, or any arrangements under foreign law creating rights in the nature of a co-ownership” . This broad net captures most foreign collective investment vehicles. However, simply meeting the broad definition does not automatically subject the investment to the exit tax regime – there are additional criteria.

In particular, since Finance Act 2001, Irish law distinguishes between offshore funds in certain jurisdictions that are “equivalent” to Irish funds versus those that are not . The tests can be summarized as follows:


Jurisdiction Test: The fund must be located in a “good jurisdiction,” meaning an EU or EEA state, or an OECD member state with which Ireland has a double taxation agreement (DTA) . The USA qualifies as an OECD country with an Irish tax treaty, so U.S.-domiciled funds pass this jurisdictional hurdle. If a fund is in a non-EU/OECD/non-treaty country, it is automatically a “bad” offshore fund taxed under older punitive rules (income tax on distributions and potentially on gains) . U.S. ETFs, being in a treaty country, are not “bad jurisdiction” funds by location.
  • Equivalence (“Materially Similar”) Test: Even in a good jurisdiction, the fund must be “similar in all material respects to an Irish regulated fund” in order to get the gross roll-up treatment . This is often called the “equivalent fund” test and is defined in TCA s.747B(2A). An “equivalent” fund is essentially one that takes a legal form and regulatory regime comparable to Irish funds that fall under the gross roll-up system . Specifically, s.747B(2A) requires that the foreign fund is either: (a) “similar in all material respects” to an Irish investment limited partnership, authorised investment company (Part 24 company), or unit trust scheme, or (b) is an EU-authorised UCITS fund . In other words, a foreign fund must closely resemble one of the Irish fund structures (or carry UCITS status) to be taxed like an Irish fund. If it does not meet this similarity test, then “it will not be taxed as an offshore fund” under the gross roll-up regime – instead, it is taxed under general principles (income tax on distributions, CGT on gains).


This “similar in all material respects” criterion is somewhat subjective and requires examining the fund’s legal and regulatory characteristics in its home jurisdiction . Neither the legislation nor Revenue guidance provides an exhaustive checklist, but Revenue has outlined factors to consider . In determining material similarity to an Irish UCITS or other regulated fund, one should look at:


  • Legal Form: Is the offshore vehicle akin to an Irish unit trust, investment company (e.g. ICAV or Part 24 company), or limited partnership?
  • Regulatory Framework: Is the fund subject to a regulatory regime comparable to the Irish/EU regime? For example, is it regulated as a collective investment scheme under rules analogous to the EU UCITS Directive or AIFMD? Is there a regulatory authority equivalent to the Central Bank of Ireland overseeing it? Must it have a licensed depositary, administrator, and investment manager? Is a prospectus required?
  • Operational and Structural Features: Key features of the fund’s operation are compared, including its objectives and investment strategy, diversification rules, governance and oversight structure, eligible asset rules, regulatory approval requirements, and sanctions for non-compliance . One important factor Revenue highlights is the “mechanism for trading shares/units and accessibility to the public” . Essentially, how investors buy and sell their interests matters – e.g. can investors redeem directly with the fund, or only trade on a stock exchange? How closely does this mirror the liquidity and redemption features of Irish funds? Funds that deviate significantly in how units are traded or redeemed might not be deemed equivalent.



Not every foreign fund (even if locally regulated) will satisfy these criteria; some characteristics may differ materially . The determination can involve a degree of judgment, and in complex cases professional advice or Revenue rulings may be sought. Revenue’s guidance acknowledges that no single factor is dispositive, and there is “no strong pattern of indicators” – one must weigh the overall picture of similarity . If a fund fails the equivalence test, it is classed as a “non-equivalent” offshore fund and is excluded from the Chapter 4 regime (i.e. not taxed under the exit tax rules) .


“Material Interest” Requirement


Apart from the fund itself being an “offshore fund” in a good jurisdiction, the investor must hold a “material interest” in the fund for the offshore fund tax regime to apply. A “material interest” broadly means the investor can reasonably expect to realize the value of their investment within 7 years and that the value is linked to the underlying assets of the fund . In practice, for an ETF or mutual fund, this test is usually met – units in publicly traded funds can be sold at any time (certainly within seven years) and their price reflects the fund’s asset values. (The material interest test mainly excludes very long-term locked investments or arrangements where redemption is severely restricted for over seven years.) If an investor did not have a material interest, the investment would fall outside Chapter 4, and any income/gains would be taxed under normal rules .


In summary, an Irish-resident individual investing in a foreign fund will be subject to the gross roll-up 41% exit tax regime only if: (1) the fund is in an EU/EEA or tax-treaty OECD country (“good jurisdiction”); and (2) the fund is materially similar to an Irish UCITS or other regulated fund (“equivalent fund”); and (3) the investor holds a material interest in it (can realize value within 7 years, etc.). If any of these conditions fails – for example, the fund is not equivalent in structure/regulation – then the special regime does not apply, and instead the investment is taxed under general income tax and CGT provisions .

Tax Treatment: Offshore Fund (Exit Tax) vs General Rules


When a foreign ETF or fund qualifies as an equivalent offshore fund, the tax treatment for an Irish investor mirrors that of an Irish domiciled fund (gross roll-up regime). If it does not qualify, the investment is taxed like ordinary share holdings.

In essence, if a U.S. ETF is classified as an “equivalent” offshore fund, an Irish investor faces a flat 41% tax on all income/gains (with no personal reliefs, but also no social levies). If it is not equivalent, the investor pays tax as they would on any foreign stock: dividend income at marginal rates (which for higher earners can exceed 41% when USC is added), and capital gains at 33% with normal reliefs (which is lower than 41%). Furthermore, the offshore regime imposes more onerous rules like 8-year deemed disposals and taxation on death which do not apply to normal share investments.



U.S.-Domiciled ETFs – Are They “Materially Similar” to Irish/EU Funds?



U.S.-domiciled ETFs present a special case. They are organized and regulated in the United States (for example, under the U.S. Investment Company Act of 1940 or as grantor trusts, etc.) and are not UCITS funds. Irish investors historically bought U.S. ETFs for exposure to major indices (e.g. SPDR S&P 500 ETF Trust (SPY), Invesco QQQ Trust). The critical question is whether these U.S. ETFs are considered “equivalent” to Irish-domiciled ETFs or UCITS funds – in other words, do they pass the “similar in all material respects” test?


According to both Revenue guidance and Irish tax professionals, U.S. ETFs are generally not deemed materially similar to Irish regulated funds. Key points and guidance on this issue include:


  • Not UCITS – Fails Automatic Equivalence: U.S. ETFs are not governed by the European UCITS Directive, so they do not qualify under the “UCITS authorized” category of equivalent funds . This means we must apply the full material similarity test to their structure and regulation.
  • Structural and Regulatory Differences: U.S. ETFs often differ from Irish UCITS ETFs in how investors interact with the fund. For example, Irish ETFs (whether UCITS or certain alternative investment funds) typically allow direct redemption of units by investors or ensure liquidity such that share prices closely track Net Asset Value (NAV) by design. By contrast, popular U.S. ETF vehicles like SPY and QQQ are structured as trusts/companies where ordinary investors cannot redeem shares directly with the fund – only large institutional “authorized participants” can do so (in large creation unit sizes, e.g. 50,000 shares) . Retail investors can only buy or sell U.S. ETF shares on the stock exchange, relying on market makers for liquidity. An Irish-regulated fund (e.g. an Irish unit trust or Part 24 company) usually must either redeem units on request or have mechanisms to keep the market price in line with NAV (Irish funds require shares to trade within a small band of NAV, typically ±5%) . U.S. ETFs do employ arbitrage mechanisms to align with NAV, but they may not have a formally mandated narrow price band or the same regulatory requirements as Irish funds . These differences in redemption rights and price control mechanisms are cited as a material divergence in legal structure. As one tax adviser observed, it is “reasonable to conclude that QQQ & SPY are not ‘similar in all material respects’ to [their] Irish equivalent” given these structural distinctions .
  • Revenue’s Former Guidance on ETFs: The Irish Revenue Commissioners have at times issued guidance specifically on ETFs. In 2014–2015, Revenue provided a general confirmation that EU-domiciled ETFs (being UCITS) are equivalent to Irish funds and taxable at 41%, whereas ETFs domiciled in the U.S., EEA or other OECD treaty countries were to be treated as not similar and thus outside the offshore fund regime . In fact, Revenue stated that, with effect from 1 January 2014, investments in non-EU ETFs (in treaty jurisdictions) “will be outside the tax regime attaching to investment funds”, meaning they would be taxed under general principles (income tax on dividends, CGT on gains) . Specifically for U.S. ETFs, Revenue indicated that such ETFs would not be regarded as having structures and regulation similar in all material respects to Irish funds, thereby pulling them out of the offshore fund regime . Revenue’s view was essentially that U.S. ETFs lacked the regulatory equivalence, so income should be subject to normal income tax rates and gains to normal CGT, rather than 41% exit tax . This approach was confirmed in Revenue’s guidance note on ETFs at that time: “Revenue will accept that with effect from 1 January 2014 investments in [U.S. ETFs] will be outside the tax regime attaching to investment funds” . In other words, U.S.-domiciled ETFs were generally treated like ordinary share investments, not offshore funds.
  • Withdrawal of Blanket Guidance: It should be noted that in 2021, Revenue revisited and updated its guidance on offshore funds and ETFs. They decided that giving blanket confirmations (such as “all U.S. ETFs are not equivalent”) was no longer appropriate, given market evolution and Brexit changes . Revenue withdrew the broad confirmations effective 1 January 2022 . This means that formally, each investment now must be assessed case-by-case under the statutory tests, rather than relying on a categorical Revenue statement. Nevertheless, the practical criteria and differences identified earlier still apply. The onus is on taxpayers and advisers to determine if a particular foreign ETF is materially similar to an Irish fund . In the absence of an updated contrary ruling, the consensus is that most U.S.-domiciled ETFs would still fail the equivalence test. Industry professionals note that Revenue’s willingness to accept U.S. ETFs as non-equivalent (from 2014) is instructive and likely remains valid in principle . No significant changes in U.S. ETF regulation since then would make them suddenly “Irish-like,” and indeed U.S. ETFs continue to have distinct structures (e.g. many are organized as grantor trusts or 1940 Act funds with different governance). Thus, despite the withdrawal of the explicit guidance, the prevalent view is that U.S. ETFs are not taxed under the gross roll-up regime. They are instead subject to normal tax rules (marginal rate on distributions, 33% CGT on sale) absent a clear indication that a specific fund is materially similar to an Irish fund.
  • Professional Commentary and Opinions: Irish tax advisors often concur that U.S. ETFs are not materially the same as Irish UCITS. The example of redemption rights (noted above) is frequently cited as a material difference . Some also point out that U.S. funds may not be subject to an equivalent of EU’s Alternative Investment Fund regulations or Central Bank of Ireland supervision, and may lack features like a formal prospectus regime or the same depositary oversight – all factors in the “material similarity” test . There is acknowledgment, however, that absolute certainty is difficult without specific Revenue clearance. One tax forum contributor noted “it is impossible to state definitively” that a given U.S. ETF is or isn’t equivalent, because it ultimately could be argued either way in absence of clear Revenue guidance . In practice, most advisors err on the side of treating U.S. ETFs as non-equivalent (ordinary tax treatment) given the strong indicators and the earlier Revenue stance. This conservative approach avoids the risk of underpaying tax (since paying CGT at 33% when 41% should have applied would leave a shortfall). Indeed, recent Tax Appeals Commission cases in 2024 have shown Revenue actively challenging investors’ classifications of foreign investments. In two cases (114TACD2024 and 42TACD2024), the Tax Appeals Commissioner upheld Revenue’s view that the investments in question should have been taxed under the offshore fund exit tax regime . These cases highlight that if Revenue deems a fund equivalent, they will assess the 41% tax and expect compliance. While those cases did not specifically involve U.S. ETFs, they underscore the importance of correctly classifying the investment.
  • Availability to Irish Investors: It’s worth noting that as of the last few years, Irish (and EU) retail investors have limited access to U.S. ETFs due to EU regulatory rules (PRIIPs/KID requirements). Since January 2018, EU-based brokers generally cannot offer U.S.-domiciled ETFs to retail clients because those ETFs do not provide an EU-compliant Key Information Document. This means new investments by Irish residents in U.S. ETFs are uncommon (except for certain qualified investors or workarounds via non-EU brokers) . Nonetheless, some individuals still hold legacy positions in U.S. ETFs or acquire them via non-EU platforms, so the tax question remains relevant for those investors. The “distributing” nature of U.S. ETFs (they periodically pay out dividends) does not itself change the tax classification – it simply means the investor will have foreign dividend income to report, which if the ETF is non-equivalent, is taxed at marginal rates rather than being rolled up.


Conclusion: Under current Irish law and prevailing Revenue guidance, written tax opinions and Revenue Audits, U.S.-domiciled ETFs are not considered materially the same as Irish UCITS or equivalent Irish funds. They do not meet the “similar in all material respects” standard, chiefly due to differences in regulatory oversight and fund structure (e.g. redemption mechanisms, absence of UCITS/AIFMD regulation). Consequently, these U.S. ETFs are treated as ordinary foreign investments for Irish tax purposes, not as Irish/offshore funds under the gross roll-up exit tax regime . An Irish investor in a U.S. ETF would thus typically be subject to income tax at normal rates on dividends and 33% CGT on any gains, rather than the 41% exit tax with deemed disposals. This distinction can be significant: for example, long-term capital growth on a U.S. ETF can benefit from the lower CGT rate (33% vs 41%) and indefinite deferral until sale (no 8-year rule), which is advantageous – though dividends in the interim may be slightly more taxed (e.g. ~52% combined vs 41% flat) . Investors should carefully report and disclose their holdings: even if taxed under general rules, any “material interest in an offshore fund” (which a U.S. ETF is, by definition of being a foreign collective investment) must be reported to Revenue on tax returns . Irish brokers are also obligated to flag and report such holdings . Given the complexity and evolving nature of guidance in this area, taxpayers are advised to seek professional advice or advance Revenue clarification if unsure. The overarching principle is clear, though being “materially similar” (or not) to an Irish UCITS fund is the linchpin that determines whether the punitive 41% exit tax regime under s.747D applies, or whether normal tax rules govern the taxation of U.S.-domiciled ETF investments in Ireland.


Sources: This analysis is based on Irish Revenue Tax and Duty Manuals, Finance Act provisions, and commentary by Irish tax professionals and firms. Key references include Revenue’s guidance on Offshore Funds and ETFs , the Taxes Consolidation Act definitions , Irish Tax Institute publications, and expert commentary in tax forums and articles . These sources uniformly emphasize the importance of the regulatory equivalence test and indicate that U.S. ETFs do not satisfy the “all material respects” similarity to Irish UCITS, thereby placing them outside the 41% exit tax regime and into standard tax treatment for Irish investors.
 
The domicile is irrelevant because they are buying a derivative of the ETF, not the ETF itself. Derivatives are taxed under general tax principles, i.e. CGT.

It's like a CFD (Contract for Difference) with extra steps.
 
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I don't know how to reply to specific posts on this forum so apologies if this is disjointed.

@ClubMan I don't believe deemed disposal applies , you don't own the underlying stock, you own a derivative that tracks its price so I believe (like CFD's which do something similar) CGT applies.

@Marc The investor doesn't own the stock/ETF though, they own a derivative (crypto "token") which closely tracks its price and pays a reward equaling its dividends (if any), so I believe CGT applies here, but I'm not an expert so all comments are much appreciated.

@MrEarl
- inventors wont own actual shares?
correct
- investors won't have voting rights?
correct
- investors don't get any dividends?
Robinhood do pay dividends - https://robinhood.com/eu/en/invest/, the Kraken version (not available in EU so far) doesn't
- price will "loosely" track the market price, for quoted equities, while non quoted equities area at the mercy of the God's ?
From my (brief) view of this (watching the price action on Webull and Tradingview alongside Robinhood), prices track pretty much exactly the real stock/ETF to the second, actually its quite impressive to watch. Unquoted stocks, i have no clue how they price those.
 
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- investors won't have voting rights?
Investors in (untokenized) ETFs don't have voting rights either. The fund provider (Vanguard, Blackrock, etc.) is the registered shareholder who has the voting rights.
 
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