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Cant believe people are giving out about civil servents getting a half day leave for shopping. Bloody hell. What about all the private sector employees who get xmas bonuses or if they dont get bonuses what about the xmas party/drinks that you get. Civil Servents dont get any of that. In fact we are not allowed except any xmas gifts from members of the public or those in business. What about the numbers of days off a lot of private sector employees will get off for xmas? I finish work at 3.30 on Xmas Eve and I am back in work on Monday 29th at 8am. Just throwing that out there in case people think that civil servents get the whole of xmas off.
Not so much a court order - More like form B78F-B (new biro request form), must be authorised by Head of Dept and filled out in triplicate (in biro).your current public sector employer won't give you a biro unless there is a court order?
As for privilege days, I believe they only apply to the civil service (I could be wrong). The offices remain closed for an extra day at Christmas, so every civil servant has to take it - there's no real opting in or out to it.
... (feel free to play with the numbers and check my sums)...
Have a shot at it, although I think you will find by perusing older threads on AAM that my numbers stack up.The bank time is way off - its generally 30 minutes on the week you're paid, and since most are paid fortnightly, it's about a quarter of what you calculate. Also, civil servants recruited since 1st October 2003 must be paid into their bank account, and don't get bank time, so it's a perk that will die out in in time. Given the expansion of the public service in recent years, that means that possibly up to a quarter of the public service of are already ineligible at this stage, so again your figures would need to be amended to reflect that. ...
I worked in the public sector as contracted employee for a period and I was granted privilege days based on "custom and practice" in the role I was fulfilling, so your brlief is misplaced.... As for privilege days, I believe they only apply to the civil service (I could be wrong). The offices remain closed for an extra day at Christmas, so every civil servant has to take it - there's no real opting in or out to it...
If you read the previous posts in the thread you will see that in the private sector any holidays employees take over and above public holidays come out of their annual leave entitlement.... Many businesses give holidays over and above the public holidays at Christmas time, and also give bonuses (which we don't get), ...
But solicitors run their own businesses, surely they can decide when they close for annual leave, and I guarantee you that if they remain closed from now until January its because they know they won't have much to do.... However, that doesn't seem too bad when you look at, say solicitors offices, many of whom have already closed, and will remain closed until January...
The thread title might be a useful hint, i.e. "Re: Time off for Christmas shopping in public service."... so I don't really see why the public service should be singled out...
Again come up with a number. Biffo, when he had the Finance portfolio, put the number at 260,000 in 2004/5 for the public service as a whole.... As for the "shopping time", again I don't know how prevalent that actually is. I seriously doubt teachers get it anyway. It could be just a civil service thing again, so your base figure of 275,000 could be way off.
Hardly defensive. I was primarily pointing out some inaccuracies in your assumptions on bank time. It definitely doesn't stack up, and the figure would be more likely to be in or about a fifth of what you claim (three quarters of a quarter of your figure or 18.75%, rounded up to 20% for the sake of argument). That knocks about 100m from your calculations.Why so defensive j26?
I'd love to but they're on one of their looong holliers right now.... If you want accurate figures, why not get your TD to ask a parliamentary question to the Minister for Finance?
[broken link removed]I'd love to but they're on one of their looong holliers right now.
I get 20 days a year. I have worked for 18 years.As usual its civil servant bashing time again as if all the woes in the economy were are fault. We aren't the ones who were getting massive salaries and bonuses. If you add the so called privelege day to most civil servants annual leave entitelment it would probably be the same as those in most private jobs. I know one person who works for a bank and each year they get an extra day off for their birthday.
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Hopefully we will be as well....
Ah sure, the deficit will still be there in mid to late January.
As usual its civil servant bashing time again as if all the woes in the economy were are fault.
We aren't the ones who were getting massive salaries and bonuses.
If you add the so called privelege day to most civil servants annual leave entitelment it would probably be the same as those in most private jobs. I know one person who works for a bank and each year they get an extra day off for their birthday.
Balance and reason, as usual.This is a straw man. Nobody is saying that we should cut the public sector wage bill because the public sector is the cause of our woe (that woe should be directed at the housing bubble and government policy). However, we cannot afford the current level of expenditure.
That means either we borrow to fund the deficit, cut public sector wages or trim the workforce. Borrowing is out as I figure we'll probably run out of willing creditors by June. So we must look at the others. As a public sector worker I'll admit I'd prefer to see redundancies rather than wage cuts but given that time is of the essence, an across the board percentage cut is probably preferable.
Perhaps not, the people enjoying these perks tend to be in the minority in either sector. This doesn't alter the facts though.
I'd be surprised if this is the case. Also I find it telling that whenever somebody on AAM wishes to highlight private sector profligacy, they always point to the banks. Banks are hardly representative of a typical private sector operator.
If you care to make a point about long holidays, high wages and massive bonuses enjoyed by SME workers in comparison to the public sector it would be more instructive.
Was it in the SME sector?I worked in private industry till last march, the benefits working there far outweighed those of the civil service
Is it not 5.5 days extra ordinary?I wish they'd just roll it into our annual leave and just say we get 25.5days annual leave. nothing too extra ordinary about that.
cutting the 1/2 day extra holiday isnt the solution, its just another stick to beat the civil sevice.
Very true. And by the way, what some on here want you to accept is:
- less annual leave
- a pay cut
- lower pension rights
- less job security
- no union membership
Just a bit of flexibility to make up for market failure, that's all.
Have you read the rest of this thread?
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