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Leaving Cert: 6,500 students awarded lower grade due to code errors
Government will work with colleges to give places to those who missed out
It would explain a lot.
Thousands may get upgrades as errors in Leaving Cert calculated grades system identified
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It would explain a lot.
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Some of the maths and English grades seem out...
On RTÉ News at One, Minister for Social Protection Heather Humphreys said that the priority will be to inform any students whose grades were impacted by the failure with the Leaving Certificate calculated grades logarithm.
On RTÉ News at One, Minister for Social Protection Heather Humphreys said that the priority will be to inform any students whose grades were impacted by the failure with the Leaving Certificate calculated grades logarithm.
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How can she put this right?
Start the whole process from scratch.
Issue revised points
Cancel all CAO offers
Issue new offers based on the revised points.
There really is no solution.
The best they can do is to offer the courses people want to start next year. And then that disadvantages next year's Leaving Cert students as there will be fewer places available for them.
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The coder?
The person responsible for testing?
The person in charge of the project?
Very hard to know.
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People make mistakes all the time. Software has problems all the time. Something like this would usually take months or years. It would be tested and tested again. There was no time for that.
I don't know who is to blame but I don't think any politician or civil servant should lose their job over it unless it can be shown that they acted with gross negligence and leading a project for which there was no president and very little time in which mistakes were made does not constitute gross negligence.
Make places available this year for the students that have been affected by this. It can be done if the will is there.
this line is usually thrown out to cover up for bad and incompetent management. Blame the computer.
Rubbish in, rubbish out...
Nobody knows who to blame so sure don't blame anyone...
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The company who designed the software. They should be made to give back the money for starters
Sorry Brendan but I don't except that. It cant have been that difficult to get this right.
Apart from Math's, English and Irish, pick the two best subjects from the Junior Cert.
Computer picks the two worst.
Blame the Code.
Exclude Civic, Social and Political Education (CSPE) from the Junior Cert.
Computer includes Civic, Social and Political Education (CSPE)
Blame the Code.
The Bus is Red.
What colour is the Bus?
In fairness, back as far as December 2019, the Department of Education should have had a contingency plan ready-set-go for the LC, in the eventuality of an economic lockdown for a disease no-one had ever heard of.
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The blame must lie with the developers. Take Boeing 737 max example. It's not the pilots fault or the airline carriers fault that the plane had bugs. The fault lies with the developers of the plane.
Same here - the department supplied a spec to the developers outlining the scenarios that needed to be covered and they didn't cover them correctly. Department clearly stated it was a bug in the software and not a shortcoming in the data supplied to the developers
Same here - the department supplied a spec to the developers outlining the scenarios that needed to be covered and they didn't cover them correctly. Department clearly stated it was a bug in the software and not a shortcoming in the data supplied to the developers
That's a good example to look at.
There are very strict controls around the aviation sector. Those manufacturing parts that go into a plane have to have AS9100 certification and are subject to yearly audits by their customers and their certifying bodies. The design and development requirements for those components are also very strictly controlled. In the case of Boeing they ignored best practice and outsourced massive chunks of software development to India and elsewhere in such a way that they could not check the code. So, best practice had been established and there was a tried and trusted process in place. They made a financial decision to ignore that. It is a world away from what happened here.
I am highly critical of P-PARS and other projects for which there was no real time pressure and the project plan was utterly flawed from the outset. That, again, is a world away from what happened with the Leaving Cert.
How is it you are 100% sure the requirements and acceptance criteria were 100% accurate? It's rare issues like this can be solely pinned at one party's door.
The challenge there is they already added thousands of places earlier in the year. There comes a point where cramming more in results in a poorer education for all on a course.
Do we hire more Hospital Consultants for the Medical Students to work under? If it's Arts or something then sure but for things like Medicine and Dentistry it is a different story.
This isn't something that anyone foresaw. The skill set required was spread over a number of people inside and outside the Department. Maybe an investigation will show there was gross incompetence but let's not build the gallows yet.