Brendan Burgess
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The PNs represent in effect a reasonably aggressive repayment (high coupon plus capital paydown schedule) of that ELA.
There is no reduction in actual indebtedness, just a very long finger.
Not quite. It has to be repaid but not by external borrowing, as that is simply replacing one loan with another. This is Sinn Fein's argument.Thank you, Brendan and others, that discussion has cleared up a number of questions for me.
Am I right in saying in a nutshell that the Irish Central Bank was allowed to temporarily create €30bn of money to rescue Anglo but that this money created has to be extinguished over the next 10 years by external borrowing?
but so too are the replacement bonds. This is very clear if the bonds are given NAMA style to AIB et al but even if they are given to the ECB at say 3%, the cash received will be held in AIB et al and will earn the contra interest i.e. overall interest free.
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If the European Commission and the European Central Bank give the green light, a 30-year Irish Government bond could be accepted as collateral for a loan of the same duration at a low interest rate from the EU bailout fund, the European Financial Stability Facility.
The EU raised a 30-year bond through the European Financial Stabilisation Mechanism bailout fund in January for the Irish and Portuguese bailouts at a rate of just over 3 per cent.
Not sure about the answer to this but on the central theme of this thread that IBRC, AIB et al and the government are three leaves of the same troika, it shouldn't really matter whether the Trackers are in IBRC or AIB et al. If there us an incentive for the State to switch them to SVR when they are in AIB et al that inventive remains when they move to IBRC.If the IBRC uses the cash from the 30 year bond to buy the trackers of PTSB and AIB, is there any incentive for them to offer a deal to tracker mortgage holders to come off trackers and on to a SVR?
IBRCTo whom do they issue these bonds?
Absolutely. The rate will be interesting. I understood that the rate on the PNs was 8% so as their market value could be argued to be par. I suspect these will be like NAMA bonds with effectively rolling variable rate at around the ECB rate, maybe plus 50bpDo they pay interest on them?
It has been paid up, not in cash but with bonds. No tearing up, simply a retiring on schedule.They still have a Promissory Note from the state. Do they just tear up €3.1 billion of that?
That's my read. Under the PN regime the cash would have been funded from the bail-out fund, paying EFSF interest. Under this arangement the interest is ECB type interest as the ECB will be funding IBRC by 3.1bn more than would have been the case if cash had been injected into it. But ECB refinancing is at variable rate, not sure about the EFSF rate. So there is a minor interest rate pick up for the time being.Hi Duke
Sorry, I was confused, and I probably still am.
The state will issue bonds to the IBRC.
The state will pay interest on these bonds to the IBRC (In other words, they will be interest free as it's the state paying interest to itself)
So, in effect, the only change is to reschedule the Promissory Note.
But where does the Central Bank come in? They now have a government bond as security instead of a Promissory Note. The IBRC doesn't actually repay any of the cheap loan from the Central Bank.
Brendan
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