GeneralZod
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if the reasons are so utterly spurious ....then why is the no vote pulling ahead in the latest poll......obviously everyone dose not share your view!All countries have a vote. They elect their government and that government makes the decision. That's how representative democracy works. Referenda are not a suitable mechanism for deciding such complex matters. This is evident in how elements of the No side have presented utterly spurious reasons for voting against the treaty.
There are plenty of reasons to vote no but many of those presented by some in the the no camp have nothing to do with Lisbon.if the reasons are so utterly spurious ....then why is the no vote pulling ahead in the latest poll......obviously everyone dose not share your view!
One of the problems the Yes camp have can be illustrated by looking at someone like me.
I think the answer is yes but that the peoples of Europe do not share the vision. This is why all but Ireland are denying their people a say on the rehashed EU Constitution that is the Lisbon Treaty. A NO should be viewed in that light and as a wake-up call to the Political Classes. They should begin the process of handing back many competencies to National governments.Perhaps the key question is do EU governments share the vision of Arch Europeans like the out of touch Giscard D,Estaing to create a US of Europe.
Good post.
If you seriously believe that the EU is "dominating" us then you should be opposed to our continued EU membership in general. ...
The "have you read every page of it" argument is misleading. ...
Snap. The whole responsible political, economic and social consensus is for "Yes" or more accurately that "No" will turn out a disaster for Ireland.Anyone I would respect is in the Yes camp. So it's quite a no brainer for me.
The Lisbon Treaty proposes that EU legislation be superior to Irish Constitutional Law.
Post Lisbon, the Irish people no longer have this right. Laws can be enacted and enforced which overide the Constitution.
I have no gripe against the EU, however I don't really see why we have to effectively scrap our Constitution in order for it continue functioning.
There will of course be the usual platitudes of "we must respect the voice of the people" from a defeated "Yes" camp.
To me a "No" vote would mean quite the opposite, we must never again respect the voice of the people, referendum style, on anything so complex as this.
On a related point , I think the "have you read the treaty" argument against the treaty is a total red herring.Completely agree. Madangan good post but seriously do you honestly expect everyone voting to read every page?
Lisbon can't be summarised as a single easy to understand measure.
It does many things, which are listed in the pamphlets and on the many websites devoted to it.
Voting no on the basis of not being given a simple answer when one doesn't exist is unreasonable. Anyone intending to vote has the civic duty to inform themselves about the issues using the extensive material available and make a decision based on the issues. They shouldn't let spurious points influence their decision.
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