They aren't on the list of signatories on the front page of the website. Do cranks who seek to undermine the proposal invalidate the credentials of those people?I have great confidence in Dr I.P. Freely and Dr Johnny Bananas (though the latter is a Doctor of Hard Sums rather than Immunology admitedly)
It seems the flaw in this excercise was spotted by others. And it doesn't say a lot about the rigour of thought of the authors.
Coronavirus: 'Dr Johnny Bananas' and 'Dr Person Fakename' among medical signatories on herd immunity open letter
Other listed supporters include Dr Harold Shipman and Dominic Cummings of "Durham Univercity".news.sky.com
They aren't on the list of signatories on the front page of the website. Do cranks who seek to undermine the proposal invalidate the credentials of those people?
So the opinions of doctors and scientists are of no merit because they don't foresee cranks signing an open letter. Strange.If some of the credibility is reliant on the numbers signing - yes
If the authors are claiming rigourous thinking and addressing a complex problem and yet can't forsee a straightforward flaw in their process - yes.
Why didn't they just write a letter signed by the original list and leave it at that? Possibly because they didn't think that would carry enough weight.
So the opinions of doctors and scientists are of no merit because they don't foresee cranks signing an open letter.
Yes, as are most new positionsThey are a fringe at this point
The thrust of the Great Barrington Declaration is herd immunity and focused protection.
Let’s say you are 40 years old. You are medically compromised or you live with someone who is.
If everyone follows current heath advice, you can go out - for a walk, to a pub or a restaurant, the supermarket, the recycling centre, the barber/hair salon, retail shops, the hardware store, etc., or even your place of work.
If instead, those not at risk freed from any health restrictions resume pre-covid 19 living, what do you do and for how long?
If 25% of the highly paid people on NEPHT, who have 100% job security, were going to lose their job and possibly their homes and were going to see a escalation of mental health issues, addiction issues, domestic abuse etc within their own families then I suspect they would hold different views on how to treat this.
The current policies we have in place are economically and socially unsustainable
Well there’s a strong element of “you would say that, wouldn’t you?”.It's the job security that enables them to make decisions based on the medical evidence without fear or favour.
empathy is important and it is not a given, not amongst doctors or politicians or judges or any other group, especially those who hold themselves in very high esteem..
When you consider their radical idea to protect nursing home residents is hope enough nursing home staff get infected... I'm genuinely curious as to what radical idea they have in mind for your question.
What we are doing works already, but let’s not kid ourselves, the level of restriction depends on public behaviour and not on NPHET.
Ultimately yes, but NPHET has the capacity to 'nudge' that behaviour.
Fair enough, politicians come from a very diverse background and are a good cross section of society.I would strongly disagree with that. My guess is that governing politicians are acutely aware of the bubbling discontent amongst working people and business communities
So one in 50 people are tired after 30 days. Lots of minor illnesses result in minor symptoms in a small number of patients weeks and months later. The hysterical nonsense that a large cohort of people have severe symptoms months later is totally bogus.BBC article on 'Long Covid'...
Long Covid is not just people taking time to recover from a stay in intensive care. Even people with relatively mild infections can be left with lasting and severe health problems.
"We've got no doubt long Covid exists," Prof David Strain, from the University of Exeter, who is already seeing long-Covid patients at his Chronic Fatigue Syndrome clinic, told the BBC.
The coronavirus can directly infect a wide variety of cells in the body and trigger an overactive immune response which also causes damage throughout the body. One thought is the immune system does not return to normal after Covid and this causes ill-health.
The infection may also alter how people's organs function. This is most obvious with the lungs if they become scarred - long-term problems have been seen after infection with Sars or Mers, which are both types of coronavirus.
But Covid may also alter people's metabolism. There have been cases of people struggling to control their blood sugar levels after developing diabetes as a result of Covid, and Sars led to changes in the way the body processed fats for at least 12 years.
The number of people with long-Covid appears to be falling with time.
However, the virus emerged only at the end of 2019 before going global earlier this year so there is a lack of long-term data.
"We've asked, deliberately, to follow people for 25 years, I certainly hope only a very small number will have problems going beyond a year, but I could be wrong," said Prof Brightling.
However, there are concerns that even if people appear to recover now, they could face lifelong risks.
People who have had chronic fatigue syndrome are more likely to have it again and the concern is that future infections may cause more flare-ups.
The World Health Organization has warned that widespread inflammation caused by coronavirus could lead to people having heart problems at a much younger age.
'Long Covid': Why are some people not recovering?
Why is coronavirus leaving some people with long-term health problems including fatigue?www.bbc.com
Do they? I didn’t read that. That group are in “that ilk”? Are they some sort of deviants or monsters who deliberately seek to damage public health? Is their character as people in question?Barrington and others of that ilk assume that herd immunity can be achieved in the short-term.
Does it? We are borrowing €150 a week for every worker in the country with no end in sight. If we lift restrictions enough for the economy to function properly, raising the taxes to pay the doctors and nurses and other “heroes”, the infection rate rises again. Do you think that is sustainable for another year? Another two years? Exactly how much debt should we foist on our children, how much of their education should we sacrifice, how many millions of people will we let die in other poor countries to protect a small proportion of our rich white lives before it’s not worth it?What we are doing works already
Do they? I didn’t read that.
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