The Gardaí want to hear from anyone who has been scammed by whiskey investment

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An Garda Síochána have urged potential victims of so-called “whiskey fraud” to come forward and warned that the practice can help fund organised crime.

In recent years, there has been a significant increase in investment scams overseas involving the spirit, including Irish whiskey. The scams can involve customers being sold casks of rare whiskey that they are told will significantly increase in value over the years.

In some cases, investors are sold casks at vastly inflated prices. In others, the casks do not exist at all. Another tactic is to sell the same cask to multiple investors.

The scams are carried out by companies that appear to be legitimate. The casks are often stored in warehouses in remote locations, with customers only finding out they have been defrauded when the companies close down.
 
Whiskey investment has come up a few times on askaboutmoney





I don't know how you would check if the promoters were genuine or not.
 
I mentioned the BBC Disclosures documentary in the TV thread. It aired on Monday night on BBC2.

In Scotland at least there is no official register of cask ownership. Likely same here.
The victims were not dealing directly with the distillers or the bonded warehouses, but third parties. People lost five and six figure sums.
The third party may well have bought 1 cask from them to establish a relationship and acquire paperwork. This cask is then sold on to multiple people, or the paperwork copied and a non-existent cask created. Sometimes a genuine cask is sold for 5 times its actual worth.
The documentary used facial recognition software to identify people in the company video as actors who thought they were filming an ad eg the CEO was an extra in a Star Wars film.

This BBC articles summarises it:
 
Unless they mean that it's used for laundering the proceeds of crime?
I don't see how that would work. The point about money-laundering is that it involves activities that, in themselves, are legitimate and above-board; hence revenue/profits generated (or apparently generated) by those activities looks clean. It would be a really bad idea to try to launder money through a fraudulent enterprise.

At a guess, what the guards mean is that the people running this scam don't, in fact, invest your money in whiskey; pretty much as soon as investors pay it to them it gets employed as working capital in other criminal enterprises — e.g. to fund the purchases of drugs that you need to make if you want to run a drug-smuggling or drug-pushing operation.
I don't know how you would check if the promoters were genuine or not.
Building on my reputation as a crusty old cynic, I'd be inherently suspicious. If somebody comes to me looking for the kind of money you would need to buy one cask, or a small number of casks, of whiskey, I'd be thinking "why are they raising their working capital this way? This has got to be massively inefficient. The overheads of raising money by approaching individual investors for small amounts must really stack up. Irish Distillers doesn't raise money this way; why would the Entirely Legitimate Microdistillery Ltd choose to? They wouldn't be doing this if they could get working capital by more conventional means from professional investors. So, this is probably something professional investors won't touch. Why not?"

Despite my cynical suspicion, it's not necessarily the case that the whole thing is dishonest. There's perhaps a non-monetary benefit to investing in whisky, like buying shares in racehorses or investing in artworks. These investment can give a good financial return, but they also give the warm glow that comes from seeing yourself, in a small way, as a racehorse owner or a patron of the arts or a sound judge of whiskey, and you'll get that benefit even if the financial return, viewed dispassionately, is less than stellar. By breaking the investment down into relatively small chunks and selling them through personal approach and personal contacts the promoters can access investors who might be motivated, even swayed, by considerations like these, which would leave the Warren Buffetts of this world unmoved.

But that still suggests that, although there's no fraud or dishonesty, viewed purely as a financial investment, the expected return on this is sub-par, and therefore you should only do it if you attach some value to the feeling that, somewhere in a cool dark store, there's a cask of whiskey with your name on it.

None of this helps with the problem of identifying promoters who genuinely are offering a cask of whiskey, as opposed to the investors who will spend your money equipping themselves for armed robbery, or the like. If I were in this market I'd be looking for recommendations from people who had previously invested with them, and who had got the promised return at the promised time — preferably people I already knew.
 
If I were in this market I'd be looking for recommendations from people who had previously invested with them, and who had got the promised return at the promised time — preferably people I already knew.

This would be problematic as I imagine that people will be getting updates to tell them that their whiskey has gone up by 20% and they believe it.
 
Yes I agree.

But, to tell the truth, my standards are perhaps not very realistic. Whiskey takes a long time to mature, and a newly-established distillery will operate for several years before they have ready-to-drink whiskey avialable for sale. They need to fund their operations until they have sales revenue, and I think these buy-a-cask schemes are one of the ways in which they try to do that. Which means that, while they are going around trying to persuade people to buy a cask, few or none of the people who have previously bought a cask from them have yet seen any return.
 
It’s a funny industry where the product is produced years before things like branding are decided on.

I like whiskey, but can only just about tell Scotch from Irish. I think a lot of the differences in taste are microscopic.
 
Whiskey takes a long time to mature, and a newly-established distillery will operate for several years before they have ready-to-drink whiskey avialable for sale. They need to fund their operations until they have sales revenue, and I think these buy-a-cask schemes are one of the ways in which they try to do that.
It wasn't clear if the casks here were new distilleries, or long standing ones. In Ireland it's a thing for new distilleries, but I think in Scotland there may be long running distillers that do it. It's also a thing eg for a pub or a whisky club to purchase one.
 
Well we now have police \ Garda time being spent on a fraud investigation instead.
Banks are deeply regulated from every possible angle and yet fraud still happens all the time.

As I said, you cannot regulate to eliminate the worst of human stupidity nor criminals.
 
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