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It seems that the life company behind the above lifestyling example was so "duped".JP Morgan said:" I wonder whether Fed models on systemic risk incorporate the possibility that some banks would be duped into thinking that QE-induced rates prevailing in 2020 represented fair value, and would load up on them "
This is a wise comment.I was recently made aware of a situation which highlights the total fallacy of "lifestyling".
The basic premise behind lifestyling is that one should invest in growth assets up to, say, 10 years before retirement and then ease into bonds/cash or "safer" investments as you approach retirement. But it transpires there are considerable variations on the theme. Irish Life target 25% lump sum cash with the remaining 75% in their MAPS4 fund which has less than 20% in bonds. This is probably the most appropriate mix of caution and continuing exposure to growth assets for a typical retiree.
It is doubtful if switching from equities into bonds is an appropriate strategy for those nearing retirement unless the provider has analysed the sensitivity of the price of the bonds to changes in the interest rate and selected bonds accordingly. This article in the Guardian covers the issue in some detail. Pensions: why do those retiring face ‘massive’ losses despite FTSE highs? | Pensions | The GuardianBut I was recently made aware by someone that their fund had fallen around 20% in the last year coming up to their retirement. They said it was something to do with lifestyling. I corrected them - "no, no, 20% fall would be a very bad year for equities, lifestyling protects you from that sort of shock at retirement". So they sought clarification from their life company. I could hardly believe my eyes at the response - they had been directed 25% into cash (fair enough) and the remaining 75% into the "annuity fund". The annuity fund consists entirely of long bonds and had fallen 24% over the previous 12 months.
I know the so called rationale - steer folk towards 25% lump sum and the rest to buy an annuity; lock in the annuity rate. But this default assumption that everybody will use their 75% to buy an annuity is completely at variance with actual experience.
But did the life company not even pause to ask "should we really be putting people in long bonds at these ridiculously and artificially low yields?". The following comment from JP Morgan in the context of the SVB debacle comes to mind.
It seems that the life company behind the above lifestyling example was so "duped".
Annuity rates have increased dramatically in the last year to the extent that for many people they are now the default against which any other option needs to be compared.I was recently made aware of a situation which highlights the total fallacy of "lifestyling".
The basic premise behind lifestyling is that one should invest in growth assets up to, say, 10 years before retirement and then ease into bonds/cash or "safer" investments as you approach retirement. But it transpires there are considerable variations on the theme. Irish Life target 25% lump sum cash with the remaining 75% in their MAPS4 fund which has less than 20% in bonds. This is probably the most appropriate mix of caution and continuing exposure to growth assets for a typical retiree.
But I was recently made aware by someone that their fund had fallen around 20% in the last year coming up to their retirement. They said it was something to do with lifestyling. I corrected them - "no, no, 20% fall would be a very bad year for equities, lifestyling protects you from that sort of shock at retirement". So they sought clarification from their life company. I could hardly believe my eyes at the response - they had been directed 25% into cash (fair enough) and the remaining 75% into the "annuity fund". The annuity fund consists entirely of long bonds and had fallen 24% over the previous 12 months.
I know the so called rationale - steer folk towards 25% lump sum and the rest to buy an annuity; lock in the annuity rate. But this default assumption that everybody will use their 75% to buy an annuity is completely at variance with actual experience.
But did the life company not even pause to ask "should we really be putting people in long bonds at these ridiculously and artificially low yields?". The following comment from JP Morgan in the context of the SVB debacle comes to mind.
It seems that the life company behind the above lifestyling example was so "duped".
Yes, and I have explained to the person that if they are purchasing an annuity then the fall in the annuity fund will to some extent be cancelled out by the rise in annuity rates.Annuity rates have increased dramatically in the last year to the extent that for many people they are now the default against which any other option needs to be compared.
Under those conditions a long bond fund is a reasonable hedge as bond prices drop yields rise and annuity rates improve.
The title was more in the nature of click baitA portfolio consisting of 25% cash and 75% long-dated bonds makes zero sense in any circumstances.
However, that doesn’t demonstrate that life styling is a fallacy.
It’s perfectly rational to gradually reduce exposure to risk assets in the run up to retirement to manage sequence of return risk.
know the so called rationale - steer folk towards 25% lump sum and the rest to buy an annuity; lock in the annuity rate. But this default assumption that everybody will use their 75% to buy an annuity is completely at variance with actual experience.
But did the life company not even pause to ask "should we really be putting people in long bonds at these ridiculously and artificially low yields?". The following comment from JP Morgan in the context of the SVB debacle comes to mind.
It seems that the life company behind the above lifestyling example was so "duped".
A portfolio consisting of 25% cash and 75% long-dated bonds makes zero sense in any circumstances.
It’s perfectly rational to gradually reduce exposure to risk assets in the run up to retirement to manage sequence of return risk.
It is an optional choice but it really came into its own with the introduction of PRSAs which required a "default" option for those (over 90%) who haven't a clue what to select and the conventional wisdom was that the default should involve lifestyling.Excuse my ignorance here, but how do people get "lifestyled". Is this where they're some sort of actively managed thing that gets adjusted per the investors age? I thought what happens when people invest in funds is that you pick your risk appetite/level and then you choose from the fund options your advisor has access to. So I'm wondering how people find themselves with their investment profiles being changed on their behalf, what sorts of instruments does this happen with?
Ok, in what circumstances do you think that portfolio makes sense?I think to say "in any circumstances" is simply nonsense.
Even if you are planning on buying an annuity, it still makes no sense to have 75% of a portfolio in long-dated bonds.
That’s been the case for the last decade or so with zero interest rates. Annuities were poor value and therefore ARFs looked more attractive. But with interest rates rising, so are Annuity rates and this makes the decision of ARF V Annuity more complicated.Irish Life's, Lifestyle strategy (Targeting 25% cash and 75% long-dated bonds) makes zero sense because the majority of people do not choose to buy annuities, they choose to go into the ARF.
It's the equivalent of forcing everyone to change into their swimming trunks, and only then asking them to choose between swimming and bowling when you know >75% of them are going to choose bowling.
My understanding is that the Irish Life default Lifestyle strategy is 25% cash and 75% MAP 4. MAP 4 has a risk rating of 4 and has less than 20% in bonds and even then much less in long dated govies.Irish Life's, Lifestyle strategy (Targeting 25% cash and 75% long-dated bonds) makes zero sense because the majority of people do not choose to buy annuities, they choose to go into the ARF.
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