This is the fallacy that PS workers and their sycophantic unions have been propagating for years, as if the PS is 'self-sufficient' or 'self-financing', the ludicrous 'I am my own Grandpa' argument. Wealth creation is the preserve of the private sector; infrastructure creation and maintenance is primarily the responsibility of the public service using tax money..... It is not just the private sector that pays taxes or pays for public services.
Private sector employees pay the wages, and taxes, of public sector employees. I've often wondered why public sector people just don't get their payments tax free. For example, if a junior administrator's pay is €90k gross, just pay them €70k (or whatever) without the paperwork of working out taxes. Public sector tax is a zero sum game.Everybody with income or captial gains (above threshold levels) and everybody who spends money pays taxes, regardless of whether they are public or private sector employees. As stated above, private sector employees do not have a monopoly on paying taxes.
Because, I imagine, PS pensions are based on gross earnings.I've often wondered why public sector people just don't get their payments tax free. For example, if a junior administrator's pay is €90k gross, just pay them €70k (or whatever) without the paperwork of working out taxes. Public sector tax is a zero sum game.
I've never heard anyone claiming that the public sector is self-sufficient or self-financing. That's certainly not what I've said. Could you give just one example of any public sector union official claiming that the public sector is self-sufficient or self-financing?This is the fallacy that PS workers and their sycophantic unions have been propagating for years, as if the PS is 'self-sufficient' or 'self-financing', the ludicrous 'I am my own Grandpa' argument. Wealth creation is the preserve of the private sector; infrastructure creation and maintenance is primarily the responsibility of the public service using tax money.
Maybe I'll do a nice Tom/Dick/Harry story about Tom the banker, and Harry the property developer, and Dick the exploitative private sector employer when I have a bit of time. I'm not sure it will add much to the debate, mind you, particularly if (like your story) it is hugely selective in the parts of the story it tells.Tom, Dick and Harry work hard in their private sector jobs and pay tax. Paddy is a PS worker and collects the tax from Tom, Dick and Harry and uses it to pay his own wages and provide the infrastructure for all of them. Paddy pays tax but that money came from Tom, Dick and Harry to begin with, Paddy created none of it.
If Tom, Dick and Harry are forced to emigrate, Paddy is forced to follow them as there is no wealth being created at home to pay him or to maintain and renew the infrastructure.
Too simplistic a view, downright disrespectful, cynical? Maybe, but possibly useful in order to maintain some perspective as to the roles that the tail and the dog are meant to fulfil.
This is not true. Public sector staff in universities produce valuable research, often paid for by the private sector. Public sector staff in museums/galleries produce exhibitions that bring in revenue. Public sector staff in local authority gyms/swimming pools run classes that bring in revenue. NSAI staff run training and provide auditing services, often paid for by the private sector etc etc etc.Public sector employees do not create wealth, they consume wealth. The public sector does not export anything, or create products etc. There's nothing wrong with that, it's just the way it is.
Again, not true. You seem to have forgotton about the Govt's other sources of taxes beyond income tax, particularly VAT & CGT.Private sector employees pay the wages, and taxes, of public sector employees.
Face it, regardless of how essential the service being provided is, public sector employees are the antithesis of wealth creation: a financial drain.
I know this has been voiced before, but, civil servants need to take a reality check. In the good times, many of them benefitted from bench marking against similar positions in the private sector. Many people in those positions in the private sector have now lost their jobs or taken large pay cuts.
That's because you made a choice not to join the Union. I'm not sure what your complaint is?
I'll look forward to it and hearing about your assessment of Paddy in his roles as financial regulator, corporate law enforcer and champion of truth, justice, fairness, transparency, dispenser of passports and monitor of minimum wages.... Maybe I'll do a nice Tom/Dick/Harry story about Tom the banker, and Harry the property developer, and Dick the exploitative private sector employer when I have a bit of time...
Just seems strange that it is ok for someone not to do work and still get paid and another to do their work and get paid the same money just because they are/are not a member of a union.
that would be because their employer (the state) has no money left to pay them with. Less money in the kitty means lower pay... in the non union sector it usually means pay cuts or layoffs. The unions don't seem to grasp thatI think you will find that all civil servants have taken pay cuts....
that would be because their employer (the state) has no money left to pay them with. Less money in the kitty means lower pay...
Not a complaint as such. Just seems strange that it is ok for someone not to do work and still get paid and another to do their work and get paid the same money just because they are/are not a member of a union.
If you go on strike and are in the union you don't get paid but if you stop doing part of your work you continue to get paid as normal.
You don't agree that the state can't afford the wage bill then ?I agree with the latter part of your point. I was just making the point that 100% of civil servants had taken two pay cuts.
You don't agree that the state can't afford the wage bill then ?
In the same way all PAYE workers are a drain on their companies and all profitable enterprise is a drain on consumers.
Did they get their passports in the end?
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