Even when our inferior, second class, non Catholic children get in they are subjected to at least 30 minutes of indoctrination per day
the Catholic Church still runs and controls 97% of our state Primary Schools.
When I went to school, non-catholic kids left the room and went to the Assembly hall or similar for the duration of religion class. I hadn't heard anything to say that has changedEven when our inferior, second class, non Catholic children get in they are subjected to at least 30 minutes of indoctrination per day....
In primary school?When I went to school, non-catholic kids left the room and went to the Assembly hall or similar for the duration of religion class. I hadn't heard anything to say that has changed
We have had schools run by religious orders for years. It has been a successful bond between the people and the church. It ain't broken, so don't fix it. I have no problem with the current situation. Those who do not want religion in schools have the choice not to send their children to a religious one. Find another school, but then you will have to pay travel fees, drive further to deliver/collect etc. Please desist from running everybody else's life and try and run your own.
But you can get an education (and an reasonably good one at that). Whilst I can see the argument a bit of me is harrumphing 'first world problems'...I cannot get a non-religious education for my children.
You may have no problem with the current situation, but I do.
I cannot get a non-religious education for my children.
As a citizen and as taxpayer this is completely unfair.
You can run your life anyway you wish but not at my expense, I don't want to pay for the religious aspect of your child's education. I wouldn't object too much if I could at least get a non-religious education for my child.
Surely the owners / patrons / boards of management of primary schools have the right to determine the ethos of their schools - religious, nondenominational, language specific or whatever?
1. You are not pressganged into sending your children to religious run schools.
2. We all pay taxes, not just for what we want to pay taxes,
Well what about the share of compensation they agreed to pay to victims of sexual abuse in the religious schools. For a start.the religious orders as far as education is concerned owe the country little or nothing.
3. Nobody has a choice to say how every cent of their hard earned PAYE is distributed.
4. Our local primary school does not force any child to attend the religion class; they ask the parents to collect the child beforehand. Guess what? The parents do not collect the children. I wonder why!
5. Take the religious run schools out of Ireland and have a look at what will be left.
But you can get an education (and an reasonably good one at that). Whilst I can see the argument a bit of me is harrumphing 'first world problems'...
That's what they have in the USA, a country with far higher levels of religious engagement than Ireland, and it works out fine for them.That said I wouldn't be like you wish for an entirely secular state educational system. That was tried in the Soviet Union with not particularly happy outcomes.
Many would disagree on the assertion that bond between Church and State is successful. The government and the Church both think that the current situation should change. I agree with them although I think that the situation should change completely.We have had schools run by religious orders for years. It has been a successful bond between the people and the church. It ain't broken, so don't fix it.
In practice that’s not an option for most parents. They fund the state through their taxes just like everyone else and so their children should have the same access to education as everyone else.Those who do not want religion in schools have the choice not to send their children to a religious one. Find another school, but then you will have to pay travel fees, drive further to deliver/collect etc.
This is a discussion on a discussion forum. Nothing more.Please desist from running everybody else's life and try and run your own.
Yes indeed Wiki asserts this to be the case but it also states that the UK gives heavy state support to Catholic, CoE and Jewish schools and they are a fairly enlighened bunch.That's what they have in the USA, a country with far higher levels of religious engagement than Ireland, and it works out fine for them.
This is meant to be a republic. People are meant to be equal.
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