Question about contributory old age pension

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Eggball

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Hi folks,

The 'M' word (marriage) has reared its head and my beloved, who is a guid Scots lass resident in Edinburgh, has proffered an eminently sensible question regarding future income (did I mention she was Scots?). She informs me that her (British) state contributory old age pension is now locked in as she has worked 30 years and is guaranteed the income when she reaches 67 (apparantly, pensionable age has recently been increased over there and may be increased again before she retires. She is 50)

What she (and I) wish to know is what is the required number of years I have to work in this juristiction before my (Irish) state contributory pension is locked in? Is there as minimum number of years as there is in Britain? If so, how many? I've worked and had my card stamped since 1981. I was on the labour for a few months in the mid 80s, but as far as I'm aware, your card is stamped when that happens. Any input welcomed.

Eggball.
 
I love the words "locked in". You have heard of An Bord Snip etc.!!!!!!!

Therefore I can only give you information based on current legislation.

If you have an unbroken record (or even one with small cracks) since 1981 ie. 28 years you are already almost there. That would entitle you to a 98% pension. Any further years will go towards the other 2%, but don't give up yet 'cos all that could change with a stroke of a pen.
 
Thanks Black Sheep. I figured I was near the mark, all right, but as you say, God knows what's going to happen over the next few years.
 
Information

The State Pension (Contributory) is paid to people from the age of 66 who have enough Irish social insurance contributions. It is not means-tested. You can have other income and still get a State Pension (Contributory). This pension is taxable but you are unlikely to pay tax if it is your only income.
As the social insurance conditions are very complex you should apply for a State Pension (Contributory) if you have ever worked and have any contributions (stamps) paid at any time. There are a number of pro-rata pensions available to people who paid different types of social insurance contributions or who did not pay contributions because of various reasons - see below.
If you retire early, you should ensure that you continue to pay PRSI contributions or get credited contributions to maintain your entitlement to a pension.
The Social Welfare Law Reform and Pensions Act 2006 (pdf) changed the name of the Old Age Contributory Pension to State Pension (Contributory). The new name came into effect on 29 September, 2006.



Rules

In order to qualify for a State Pension (Contributory) you must be aged 66 and have enough Class A, E, F,G, H, N or S social insurance contributions.
You need to:
  • Have paid social insurance contributions before a certain age
  • Have a certain number of social insurance contributions paid and
  • Have a certain average number over the years since you first started to pay.
Paid insurance before a certain age

You must have entered social insurance before a certain age. For people currently under 66, they must have started to pay social insurance before the age of 56. The age limit is higher for people born before 1922.
Entry into insurance

Your entry into insurance means the date on which you first started to pay social insurance.
The rules that determine when you entered into insurance are quite complex for those with mixed insurance, that is, full social insurance for some of the time and modified at other times.
Normally the date of starting insurable employment is taken as the date of the first paid employment contribution. However for a person who has a mixture of full and modified rate contributions and paid his/her first full-rate employment contribution before 6 April 1991, the most favourable date of starting insurable employment is taken. This means, if you first started to pay full insurance before 6 April 1991 and before you reached 56 years of age, your entry into insurance can be the date on which you first started to pay the full-rate of insurance if that would be to your advantage.
If you started to pay full insurance after 6 April 1991, your entry into insurance is the time you first paid any social insurance.
There are also special entry into insurance rules for self-employed people. If you started to pay self-employed contributions on 6 April 1988 and had previously paid employee insurance at any time, then the date of entry into insurance can be either 6 April 1988 or the date on which you actually first paid insurance, whichever is to your advantage.
Number of paid contributions

If you reached pension age before April 6 2002, you must have 156 qualifying paid contributions (a total of 3 years but they do not have to be consecutive). This means that you must have actually paid full-rate contributions (that is, full stamp prior to 1979 and Class A,E,F,G,H,N and S since then.)
If you reach pension age on or after 6th April 2002, you will need to have 260 paid contributions (effectively 5 years contributions but they need not be consecutive). However, if you were a voluntary contributor on or before April 6 1997, you need only have 156 paid contributions if you have a yearly average of at least 20 contributions.
If you reach pension age on or after April 6 2012, you will need to have 520 paid contributions (10 years paid contributions). In this case, not more than 260 of the 520 contributions may be voluntary contributions. However, if you were a voluntary contributor on or before April 6 1997 and you have a yearly average of 10 contributions, you may meet the requirement if you have a total of 520 contributions, but only 156 need to be compulsory paid contributions.
Pre-1953 contributions

In some cases, contributions paid before 1953 into the then National Insurance Scheme may be taken into account in order to satisfy the requirement that you have 156 paid contributions. In fact, each 2 such contributions are counted as 3. But, if they are taken into account, the average must be measured from 1953. There is a special pro-rate pension for people with pre-1953 contributions.
Average number contributions per year

You must meet the average condition. This is probably the most complex aspect of qualifying for a State Pension (Contributory).
Normal average rule

The normal average rule states that you must have a yearly average of at least 10 appropriate contributions paid or credited from the year you first entered insurance or from 1953, whichever is later. An average of 10 entitles you to a minimum pension; you need an average of 48 to get the maximum pension
 
Hi Protocol,

First, let me thank you for going to so much trouble to get all of that information. I'll be working through it slowly, but even at a glance, one would think the government didn't like paying out money. Now maybe if I was a banker...

Btw, the links don't seem to be working. Don't know if it's a problem with the board or not.

Thanks again,
Eggball
 
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