FG claim to have 20,000 members they ran 82 candidates on average 242 first- preference votes would come from party members the balance of there first preference vote comes from people not connected to the party,Am I? Are they? No idea how that has any bearing on what the electorate voted for. Was it included in their manifestos?
Why is it you think so many party members did not give their first preference to a party candidate? Or are you just making up the numbers?
Any coverage I have seen of the opinions of the broader electorate has not suggested the majority went the polls demanding a FF/FG coalition as you seem to believe. What source leads you to believe that the majority of the electorate want such a coalition as their first preference?
Ah yes, your rambling personal anecdote really does speak to to the psyche of the nation
so you can see most people who gave there first preference vote to FF/FG
But you didn't say most, you said more than 99% of their first preferences came from non-members. From the above, I see you still haven't worked it out. There are more recent numbers for FF membership available and surprise surprise your assumption is wrong, again.
Well the virus took out the rallies via an unexpected route...
Sinn Fein could never better the masters of political rallies the healy raes
Active members of FF is the key
Not CorrectWhy is it? Again, you're just trying to redefine the facts to suit your incorrect assumptions.
Not Correct
I googled FF Membership and WikipediA 2005 came up. any poster including your good self who wants to can Google FF 2005 Ireland and see I was not redefining the facts,
I was using WikipediA and using there facts and cross checking against a local card carrying FF Member who I know well,
WikipediA figures were 10,000 to 15,000 active Members I used the highest possible number of15,000 members
FF got 484K first prefs. 1% of that is 4.8k so it would look more likely that 2% to 3% were card carrying members. Is it worth arguing about?How are you using Wikipedia and coming up with a number that is half what is listed there with an October 2017 citation?
But let's say you based your calculations on your 15k figure for FF, and another 20k for FG, how did you calculate that non-members made up more than 99% of their first preference voters?
I was using WikipediA and using there facts and cross checking against a local card carrying FF Member who I know well,
FF got 484K first prefs. 1% of that is 4.8k so it would look more likely that 2% to 3% were card carrying members. Is it worth arguing about?
The point I am making and it is a very important for the future of both FF and FG if in the morning every single active member member stopped voting for FF and FG the out come of the last election would be the same, In other words listening to the 74 people who are members and Ignoring the other 99% who voted for them is a fools game,How are you using Wikipedia and coming up with a number that is half what is listed there with an October 2017 citation?
But let's say you based your calculations on your 15k figure for FF, and another 20k for FG, how did you calculate that non-members made up more than 99% of their first preference voters?
The leadership of FF to once again listen to the tail wagging the dog members and come back after the next general election with less TDs like what happened on the 8 of February 2020,I love this. Wikipedia for research and a card carrying member of FF to validate the results!! What could possibly be wrong...…..
The point I am making and it is a very important for the future of both FF and FG if in the morning every single active member member stopped voting for FF and FG the out come of the last election would be the same, In other words listening to the 74 people who are members and Ignoring the other 99% who voted for them is a fools game,
How is it you know that? Much of the membership of both parties have been very clear that is not what they voted for.
It is worth arguing about but I can see the rabbit hole and I ant going down there,FF got 484K first prefs. 1% of that is 4.8k so it would look more likely that 2% to 3% were card carrying members. Is it worth arguing about?
Or should you edite it to say wanting to run away from running the Country and sending An Invitation to lefties and the RA'' to run it instead,Yea, but it would be great fun to watch. Will there be an edict issued about the correct language to use (no "up the RA" and nothing about not wanting darkies or queers running the country)?
I used a figure of 1%
Still I would prefer that to the men in balaclavas that will be stewarding the SF/RA ralliesYou do know The Blueshirts were originally formed to give political/physical protection at Political Rallies,Google Blueshirts Ireland and see where the diehards came from,
Getting back to the Political Rallies they are no more than attempt to show the 99% who still Voted for FF/FG that they are still controlled By Blueshirts,
You do know The Blueshirts were originally formed to give political/physical protection at Political Rallies,Google Blueshirts Ireland and see where the diehards came from,
I agree , I hate the IRA and all the stand for, I seen first hand the results of there actions, which is the reason why I would like to see like minded political parties coming together and form a Government, It is only a small number of members of FF/FG who are so shortsighted the cannot see they are the real reason SF are rising according to the latest opinion poll since the last general election,Not sure if you're trying to establish an equivalence between the Blueshirts and the IRA, or just trolling, but I'll bite ..
I'm open to correction but I believe the Blueshirts have not murdered any children or Gardai in my lifetime. Can't say that about the IRA.
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