it is very difficult. unless you are a farmer son/daughter. people waste a lot of time and money on these things. best to look for a site within the village boundary.A site with FPP for a house has come up that might suit us.
I spoke with the Auctioneer who tells me that the site is in the same parish that my granmother is from - first box ticked for applying.
I met with the planner for the area who tells me straight out that there is no point in proceeding because there is a rural/urban boundary in the parish. The site is in the rural part - my granmother is from the urban part.
The thing is that the site is only 0.4 KM on the wrong side.
I have spoken with a few architects who say that restrictions such as this are lifted all of the time in cases where smaller details were initially preventing planning.
Some people say it can be worth talking to a politician who might send a letter or speak to the planner to try to lift the restriction.
Has anyone any experience or knowledge of a similar situation with a successful outcome?
Thanks in advance for replies.
Some people say it can be worth talking to a politician who might send a letter or speak to the planner to try to lift the restriction.
The FPP is in the site owners name. I would need to apply to get the planning in my name.
There are restrictions in that you have to be from the area, or parents/granparents.
Forgetting the issues about auctioneers (who want to sell you something), architects (who want to sell you something), politicians and brown bags, this is a planning issue. You are entitled to a fair hearing in any planning process. The ad hoc nature of rural planning over the last decades has created huge problems. Your key pointer is the Planner. You already said the Planner you spoke with thinks you will fail so a refuse recommendation in the first instance might be the likely outcome. The positives are that planning has already agreed that the site is suitable for development. As long are you are not deviating much from the plans with FPP then your case is even stronger. So the only issue is apparently proving your need to be in the area. You have links and it will be even better if those links are current. Where is your work located, do you have plans for rural enterprise, what will you offer the community, can you get support from community organisations to support your planning application? It is up to you to prove your case. Even if you fail at county level, you can always appeal to ABP. Do however stick to planning facts, go through the development plan and see if anything can support your application.Thanks for that. Very frustrating in that I have a connection with the parish, but 0.4 km on the wrong side of the rural boundary.
Might go back to the planner and see is there any possibility at all of reconsidering...
Your original post had me thinking once again a brown envelope is needed, maybe directly to the planner, I'm not advocating it, but it seems to be endemic in Ireland to get certain things done.
I find this kind of thing ludicrous, the site has planning so from a planning point of view everything is ok, but just because you're not from the area you cannot build.
Is there any way around this, doing the building with the current site owners name I wonder.
Your original post had me thinking once again a brown envelope is needed, maybe directly to the planner, I'm not advocating it, but it seems to be endemic in Ireland to get certain things done.
This is exactly the kind of behaviour that got this country into the current economic mess.
Most planners are honest and enforce the planning laws by the book.
I'm always amazed that us Irish love to make rules & laws and then try to baypass them when it suits us.
I find this kind of thing ludicrous, the site has planning so from a planning point of view everything is ok, but just because you're not from the area you cannot build.
Is there any way around this, doing the building with the current site owners name I wonder.
Your original post had me thinking once again a brown envelope is needed, maybe directly to the planner, I'm not advocating it, but it seems to be endemic in Ireland to get certain things done.
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Getting the property built by the current site owners name will not work, as there will be a planning condition attached to the permission requiring 1st occupancy of the dwelling to the person who qualified to get the permission in the first place. There will also be a clause for a Section 47 Legal Agreement which would be signed between the qualifying occupier and the Planning Authority which relates to occupancy.
Wasn't there also a legal condition that stops the house being resold right away?Of course it was abused by all and sundry, houses were built and then sold straight away and no enforcement of the local requirement was done.
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