IAI membership
I want to apply for planning permission for a rather large but relatively straight forward garage in my back garden. I've asked a friend of mine with IAI membership for a quote for a planning application and he's quoted me €1,200 plus vat which seems rather steep unless he's made a mistake and added on an extra nought in which case I think it would be very reasonable.
Any idea what would be a reasonable quote for a straight forward planning application for a 4 walled 50m sq concrete block built, plaster rendered, hip slated roof garage with roller shutter door and two windowas and two skylights in a spacious back garden with the nearest neighbour >200m away?
The engineer can advise you on the structural requirements (something that a good technician can also do for this type of structure).
This is a very unprofessional comment to make.
'A good technician' is a term that has been around for years, especially in the architectural field where you see 'a good technician' can do that for you instead of a fully qualified RIAI architect. More often than not this leads to many issues down the road, with the builder saying, 'i put in the foundations in accordance with the drawings', whereby the Client gave the technicians drawings to the builder, assuming they were construction drawings.
'A good technician' could mean an IT technician, CAD technician, engineering technician, architectural technician, electrical technician etc
We are talking about a very, very simple, single-storey garage structure and an Architectural Technician of course.).
Furthermore, we have been discussing the preparation of a Planning Application scheme as opposed to a set of Construction Drawings.
Later, when the garage was granted planning permission and the OP required a set of Construction Drawings I would be astounded if a competent and professional technician could not utilize their intimate knowledge of structure and detailing gained from three to four years training in college and subsequent professional experience to put together a very comprehensive set.
Please do read the relevant posts before stating that subsequent comments are "unprofessional" (and consider more moderate adjectives too).
To the OP:
Do you honestly expect someone to prepare and submit a planning permission for €120?
Do you have any idea of the work that goes into this?
I am astounded at people claiming that quotes are completely unreasonable when they clearly have no idea what it takes to prepare a planning application for a building, no matter how straightforward.
Here is a non-exhaustive list of what must be undertaken prior to submitting a planning application.
1. survey the property
2. read the development plan for the area
3. read the particular planning requirements for the area
4. draw the site and any buildings on it
5. design the new building, in consultation with any other consultants necessary, (this might incur an additional fee).
6. draw plans, sections, elevations, contiguous elevations, fully labelled dimensioned
7. prepare a report describing the development
8. fill in the planning application
9. make relevant number of copies of the planning submission and submit
Throught this process your consultant will need to visit the site at least once to take the measured survey, they will need to meet with you initially to discuss requirements, once again to submit a draft and prehaps again to go through the final application. Travel costs need to be taken into account, as do printing costs, the cost of any maps that need to be bought from OSI, along with any overheads the consultnant may have.
Please rethink the idea that €120 would be a reasonable amount to pay for this.
Well said, GL01
I'll a another one
10. Pre consultation meeting with the Co. Co. planners, which may alter the draft plans.
11. Newspaper adverts
12. Planning permission notices
A structural engineer, IEI status (I am one) has the competance to design the foundations & ground floor slab to suit the ground conditions, the masonry to take wind loads, the roof to take snow, live, dead & wind loads, all to current irish/british standards etc.
In the back of a structural engineers mind all the time is safety for the persons using the building, & if something goes wrong, then he/she the structural engineer is held responsible.
'A good technician' is a term that has been around for years, especially in the architectural field where you see 'a good technician' can do that for you instead of a fully qualified RIAI architect. More often than not this leads to many issues down the road, with the builder saying, 'i put in the foundations in accordance with the drawings', whereby the Client gave the technicians drawings to the builder, assuming they were construction drawings.
'A good technician' could mean an IT technician, CAD technician, engineering technician, architectural technician, electrical technician etc
DBK100, please dont take my words out of context, see below:
I agree...
I agree, I never said otherwise...
No,this is where you have to be very careful. A technicians downfall normally would be in the foundation design/not knowing the correct ground conditions.
Note, I have read the other posts & I would view my previous comments as fair. It sends alarm bells through my head when I hear, what I would consider very lax comments.
This generalization is quite incredible and untrue.A technicians downfall normally would be in the foundation design/not knowing the correct ground conditions.
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The suitability of a construction professional to undertake this garage planning application is not based on whether they are an Architect, Engineer or Technician, but on whether they are Professional and Competent.
Wrong on this point DBK100, I have been involved in carrying out repairs in the form of underpinning works to foundations of many small existing dwelling projects where subsidence has been an issue & incorrect ground conditions have been ascertained. In a perfect world your comments would be correct. Unfortunately people take risks all the time.I do not know of one who would not have the sense to ascertain ground conditions if they were taking on responsibility for the job.
I agree with the wording of your text above, its what I would have expected you to say a little bit earlier. But this is totally different to what you previously said, quote below, in my opinion,A competent technician would consult another professional to advise if conditions required..........
The work you describe could be done professionally and competently by an architectural technician or a small engineer's practice.......
The engineer can advise you on the structural requirements (something that a good technician can also do for this type of structure).
I agreeThe suitability of a construction professional to undertake this garage planning application is not based on whether they are an Architect, Engineer or Technician, but on whether they are Professional and Competent.
Unfortnately I am speakng from experience in this case. I ahve come across this on several occasions.This generalization is quite incredible and untrue.
I agree with the wording of your text above, its what I would have expected you to say a little bit earlier. But this is totally different to what you previously said, quote below, in my opinion,
Correctt me if I am wrong, but there is no mention of 'another professional' been consulted in your above quote
DBK100,
<sarcasm>
"Engineers are okay to design shed buildings - sure they do it all the time."
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Large garages in the landscape need little design input?
Design training and ability don't really come into it then?
Not the sort of admission I would expect from an RIAI man.
I would have thought big sheds are a challenge to design well.
ONQ.
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