11.2% compounded over 13 years (11.92^13) is 397%Regardless of how it feels, I’m really struggling to see how any of the above is right.
I checked a family member’s ARF just there which is in an equity fund. 326% for the same period gross of fees, which are 0.6% pa in total (0.5% headline). Seems like a lot more than 11.2% pa over 13 years.
Me tooI have to confess that the way actuaries think (or at least the way they express themselves) often leaves me scratching my head in puzzlement.
Actuaries love wild examples so let us assume that the market consisted of 10 stocks, costing 1 each. One stock returns 9 another returns 1 and the rest return 0.So, logically it follows that the more concentrated an equity portfolio, the higher the probability that an investor will miss out on the small number of “super performers” and will lag the broader market.
Now, you might argue that there is an equal chance that a concentrated portfolio will avoid the turkeys. However, that’s not the case - there are far fewer stars than turkeys.
I don't want this to become a self-help lesson in compound interest, but you're right (forgetting about the bit in brackets, which should be 1.112^13).11.2% compounded over 13 years (11.92^13) is 397%
This point has been touched on (refuted) by other people, I do believe it's worth discussing further however.By definition, a passive fund mimics the entire market. A random selection of stocks should deliver the same return on average, but with a high chance of under- or over-performing.
An even more surprising statistic is that the value of the "low dividend" shares increased by 22.2% while the value of the "high dividend" shares fell by 2.2% in the half-year (a strange coincidence of "2"s!!). The pattern is reasonably consistent across the portfolio, with a small number of exceptions in both directions, of course.
I'm still trying to get my head around it all. I wonder if there was a fashion in the half-year for "low dividend" shares to do well and "high dividend" ones to do less well. I don't know enough about investments to make a call. If it is a fashion, will high dividend shares come back in favour at some future date?
Which is a lot more than was contended by other posters…11.2% compounded over 13 years (11.92^13) is 397%
I don't know if I qualify as one of the "other posters". If so, I'll make the obvious point that I have been taking a regular (normally monthly) income from my ARF for the entire period since I started it thirteen and a half years ago. If I had left the full amount invested for the full period, it would clearly be worth a lot more.Which is a lot more than was contended by other posters…
Are your performance numbers ignoring the withdrawals?I don't know if I qualify as one of the "other posters". If so, I'll make the obvious point that I have been taking a regular (normally monthly) income from my ARF for the entire period since I started it thirteen and a half years ago. If I had left the full amount invested for the full period, it would clearly be worth a lot more.
Sadly, I didn’t follow my own advice! I held on to all my Novo Nordisk shares. The price fell sharply in the second half of 2024, falling by over 20% in a single day in December. By 31 December, the price was down almost 40% since 30 June. Not a happy experience, but I’m not complaining. Novo Nordisk owes me nothing: I’ve done well out of it. I’m not selling, not for the time being anyway, but I did learn to watch out for shares that had overperformed, which brings me to what happened in weeks 51 and 52.with advancing age comes a greater degree of caution, so I may shift the balance of the portfolio towards more defensive stocks. That could mean selling some of my Novo Nordisk holding. Overall, though, the strategy of staying invested in equities and keeping transaction costs to a minimum will remain unchanged.
The “growth share” in question was of course Apple. Here is what I wrote about it back in 2015, when I had a “Diary of a Private Investor” column with the Sunday Times. The contrast between 2015 and 2024 shocked me and caused me immediately to offload more than three quarters of my Apple holding at an average of $252.82 a share. I used some of the proceeds to buy Nvidia at $137.20 a share but left more than 50% in cash, so the cash portion of the fund at year-end was much higher than usual: 11.7% of fund, compared with just 0.6% at end 2023.One of the "growth" shares is on a P/E multiple of over 40. I bought shares in the same company in 2015 at a P/E multiple of under 20. I don't think its prospects are much better now than they were in 2015, so I'm thinking of selling some or all of my shares in that company. I only did this analysis now, when drafting this post. It's very - VERY - superficial, but it seems to support the impression that came through a few times during the current exchange, that the current hype about AI etc. has many similarities to the dot-com bubble that ended with a bang in 2000.
so the cash portion of the fund at year-end was much higher than usual: 11.7% of fund, compared with just 0.6% at end 2023.
Jayz, I better check my figures. Colm was surprised they were so low and you have corrected my misinformation.Global Index Equity tracker would be circa 24% from 01/01 to 17/12. Cautiously Managed would be circa 11%.
Hi Duke. Are you sure about that? I was initially inclined to agree, because I thought the variance in the Sharpe Ratio was relative to the market, and my variance from market returns would be high, but I see that it's actual returns (v risk-free) and actual volatility. I suspect that on that measure my Sharpe Ratio could well be higher than yours (i.e., better).@Colm Fagan In the past I have compared my own 'umble Global Equity Fund ARF with your DIY ARF. For the record you beat me handsomely over the last dozen or so years, but at 12.2% for 2024 I get a rare win. But I bet I beat you fairly consistently on your Sharpe ratio. (apologies to @Gordon Gekko for the intellectual self gratification).
Okay, that's a volatility of 16%, in line with typical equity indexes. I stand ejectedHi Duke. Are you sure about that? I was initially inclined to agree, because I thought the variance in the Sharpe Ratio was relative to the market, and my variance from market returns would be high, but I see that it's actual returns (v risk-free) and actual volatility. I suspect that on that measure my Sharpe Ratio could well be higher than yours (i.e., better).
For comparison purposes, here are my yearly returns from 2011. I could get more granular figures, for later years anyway, if needed:
-2.9% (2011 - the dreaded sequence of return risk bites in year 1!) +24.2% +22.4% +16.4% +13.3% -5.8% (2016) +27.5% -15.3% +45.3% +1.8% +16.1% (2021) -8.0% +18.5% +10.6%
I bow to your greater expertise at cranking the numbers to calculate respective Sharpe Ratios (while accepting the limited nature of the data).
Can't quite remember why I chose a High Dividend fund. I suppose it is down to my three rules for choosing investments: Tax, Tax and you guessed it. High Dividend shares should stand at a small discount because in general they are subject to higher taxation and so that should be a free lunch in an ARF. Seems to have cost me about 10% in 2024You should both of you, bite the bullet, and actually move to a global equity index.
But thank you both for the information.
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