Why? Do you not understand the concept that having a secure job does not equate to having an easy job? Suggesting that the question be put to those on the dole or to anyone else won't change the answer. Your suggestion demonstrates that you are either trolling by posting such nonsense or that you need to get yourself a dictionary. The public sector bashing has abated since the budget, yet you seem intent on stirring it up again.
You also made a comment that no civil/public servant would be inclined to leave their secure jobs at the moment. Firstly, it is a misconception that all public service jobs are secure. People on temporary contracts which have expired have been let go from all parts of the public service. I accept that these are not the majority in many areas, but as you seem intent on making sweeping generalisations, I feel its necessary to remind you of this. Secondly, no one in a secure job in any sector would leave their job at the moment without careful consideration. Its not a public sector thing, its basic common sense.
To say that there is no movement in or out of the public sector is also not correct. Movement inwards is certainly limited at the moment but thats solely down to a recruitment embargo. There is plenty of job shedding going on through incentivised retirements and career breaks however. I suggest you base future posts on the facts rather than hearsay and lazy headlines, which is what you seem to be doing.
I'm going to keep a note of this post so in a years time you can admit you were wrong (I'm setting the alarm on my phone as we speak).
Maybe you should ask that question to the 400,000 people on the dole.
Wages are dropping in some areas of the the private sector and yes, the minimum wage may well drop, but if it does it will have bugger all to with any secret agenda of IBECs.
The really strange thing is that I don't think you're joking
Wages are dropping in some areas of the the private sector and yes, the minimum wage may well drop, but if it does it will have bugger all to with any secret agenda of IBECs.
In recent months many economists have argued the case for a sharp reduction in nominal wages in Ireland.
A co-ordinated policy of wage reductions across both the public and private sectors would provide a significant boost to Ireland’s competitive position.
Up to now change has been slow and cumbersome especially in the public sector and in unionised employments in the private sector.
It is impossible to ignore costs, including labour costs
Maybe you should ask that question to the 400,000 people on the dole.
See this space in a year
How do you know it's not true since you admit it's secret?
IBEC is an employers body, Yes?
So it is in their interest for the min. wage to drop, Yes?
In fact it's in their interest for wages all across Ireland to drop (including all of us too BTW), the problem I have is if the govt is to target wages then it should be all across Ireland and not just target Public and Civil Servants (who were only hit a few short months ago).
In any case all this has nothing to do with the thread since it is about a semi-state body not Public or Civil servants.
*Edit* I've done a little of research on IBEC.
From here
http://www.ibec.ie/IBEC/Press/Press...macgill-summer-school-22-07-2009?OpenDocument
I love the 'many'
Wages again
IBEC are notoriously anti-union and don't beieve in collective bargaining.
Wages again
Maybe you should ask yourself if they have a point.
The government can only reduce the wages of those they employ (we don't live in a socialist state like the Soviet Union) so cuts in the private sector have to be market led. I do agree that the public and civil service has taken a hammering in recent months but that's because their employer is bankrupt.
I'm not arguing with you about the bankrupt end of things but you have to ask why are they bankrupt and the answer is because they are bailing the banks out to the tune of billions and just to be totally clear the banks are a large part of IBEC.
Another funny thing I came across doing my searches IBEC is part govt funded and even more interesting them saying people should take wage cuts is the fact that their staffs' wages are not published.
IBEC is mainly made up of the Banks (protected sector), the semi-states (protected sector) and the foreign Multinationals that are told to join when they are given their tax breaks and hand-outs upon setting up shop on our turf.
The idea that they represent the "private sector" is nonsense.
IBEC represents that management of the non public part of the protected sector or the unionised sector minus the public sector.
The last Shane Ross "exposé" (based upon the published accounts) shows there's about 7000 members of IBEC. There just aren't that many Banks, semi-state or multinational employers in the state.
OK but weighting Joe Bloggs packaging limited and AIB the same is nonsense. The facts are that a) most IBEC members are not active within the organisation and b) it is dominated by the commercial semi-states and the banks.
IBEC represents the employer side of the unionised sector. The big foreign multinationals are also forces to join but they don’t set the agenda.
ISME is more representative of the real private sector. (I am not involved in any such group; talking shops the lot of them)
Where is the downside for IMPACT here?
Surely they should be forced to pay some form of compensation to the company?
It seems to me that the unions can adopt these bully-boy tactics without fear of reprisals from anybody.
Financially... none. Employers have to pay compensation for any wrongdoing on their part. For example, If they had not paid an allowance that should have been paid then the employer would have to pay arrears. However the reverse does not happen.
In relation to whom they should pay compensation to, they should not only have to compensate the company but also the intending passengers on that day, the airlines and companies whoses exports were tried up that day. If they were forced to do this then I think they would spend a little more time examing options the next time they have a dispute rather than calling a snap strike and practically shutting down the countries airports.
The last line of that link...
A separate Labour Court recommendation on a second dispute involving pay and pensions at the Irish Aviation Authority is due in the coming days.
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?