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I have two pension funds, one from a previous employer. Are there advantages in consolidating pensions into single managed funds.

Is it true, the fund adminstration charges are deducted in year 1? How are the charged deducted?
 
I have two pension funds, one from a previous employer. Are there advantages in consolidating pensions into single managed funds.
Impossible to tell without more info (e.g. one is an occupational fund - what about the other?, what charges apply in both cases, what fund selection is available etc.). It is obviously easier to administer/track a single pension but that it itself may not be reason to merge them.
Is it true, the fund adminstration charges are deducted in year 1? How are the charged deducted?
Depends on the specific pension as to what charges apply and how.
 
Impossible to tell without more info (e.g. one is an occupational fund - what about the other?, what charges apply in both cases, what fund selection is available etc.). It is obviously easier to administer/track a single pension but that it itself may not be reason to merge them.

Depends on the specific pension as to what charges apply and how.

Thanks Clubman .. flood gates are opening ..

Both were defined contribution. Both were with Irish Life. I think the charges were around 1% pa. Although I recall a conversation back in '89 when I set up my first pension that 80% of the accounts lifetime adminstrations costs would be deducted in y1. I struggle with that, but I was young then and paid little attention.

Getting to the point; are costs now charged on an annual basis only, i.e no y1 burden as you jump from one company pension fund and to another?

My current pension provides a feature enabling I spread my contribs across different funds, which I like as I can choose my risk profile. So I'd like to consolidate to a single fund. Can I do that?

How can I better understand fund management. I presume the value of my fund is down to my % share of the overall fund(s), each funds value being its capital value of its assets, i.e. property, shares, bonds, etc. So when the market takes a knock as its doing now, my fund value decreases with share price drops .. I presume fund managers offload poor performing stocks ..

All that said . can't say I'm too pleased with 2006/2007 performance. Am putting in the full 20% and (aside from tax upside) I had little value appreciation .. 0.5% for 2006 and 2007 !

Can I shop around for some boutique pension fund managers ... apparently they exist in Ireland and boast 15-20% .. can I have an AVC fund manager independent of company fund.

Any thoughts on who is worth a punt .. a high risk investment fund.

ta
 
Add another question .. am getting greedy

Is it possible to retrospectively apply AVCs to previous years .. last 2 years I've paid 15% to reach my 20% cap .. previous 2 years I was contribing only 15% .. can I pay a tax free lump sum for those years ..
 
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Does your company's pension plan have an appointed advisor?

There are so many questions you really would be better off to speak to your company's advisor - at your company's expense hopefully!
 
Charging structures can and vary widely from scheme to scheme. There's no standard procedure. The only way of finding out about individual arrangements and how charges applied in the past or apply now is to make specific enquiries about each individual arrangement.

If all of your arrangements, old and new, are Occupational Pension Schemes you can transfer your old benefits into your current arrangement. But as MMilken says, you should take professional advice from the current scheme advisors before doing this. You would be seeking the following information: -

  • Comparison of charges on old vs new
  • Comparison of fund choices on old vs new
  • Any implications re vested rights?
You can start your own AVC PRSA indepedent of your Occupational Pension Scheme, but such contributions will be paid gross by you from your own bank account and you will claim back the tax and PRSI relief. Again, you should also compare the fund choice and charges on the existing AVC arrangement before considering this.

... apparently they exist in Ireland and boast 15-20% ..

Past performance is not a guide to future returns. Any fund that can rise by 20% in one year may also fall by 20% in another year, or more. Concentrate more on matching the composition of the fund with your own appetite for risk.
 
Add another question .. am getting greedy

Is it possible to retrospectively apply AVCs to previous years .. last 2 years I've paid 15% to reach my 20% cap .. previous 2 years I was contribing only 15% .. can I pay a tax free lump sum for those years ..

Final date for paying an AVC in repspect of 2006 tax year is October 31st 2007, or November 15th 2007 if you file your tax return online. You can't go back further.
 
Can I shop around for some boutique pension fund managers ... apparently they exist in Ireland and boast 15-20% .. can I have an AVC fund manager independent of company fund.

Any thoughts on who is worth a punt .. a high risk investment fund.

ta

You may be able to access "more specialist" fund managers such as Fidelity and Bloxham through your company's Irish Life Pension Plan?
 
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