How dare you knock Benchmarking! It is the best thing that ever happened to this country. Why would you have a problem with people with defined benefit pensions, long holidays, great perks and near total job security as a given being "Benchmarked" against workers with some or none of the above by a bunch of politically appointed and politically motivated insiders? It's not as if it was done in secret with no defined matrix, and it's not as if the country can't afford it...oh yea, well that doesn't matter, it's still great.shnaek said:I was just reading that in the Business Post that:
"Thanks to generous benchmarking awards over the past few years, pension costs and overtime, pay now takes up more than two-thirds of the overall health budget."
and that:
"In most of the major Dublin hospitals, pay costs account for between 75 and 80 per cent of the overall budget."
This is surely unsustainable. Crazy in fact. I don't envy Mary Harney trying to sort that out. Does anyone know how that compares to health budget division in other EU countries?
Purple said:How dare you knock Benchmarking! It is the best thing that ever happened to this country.
Purple said:There are about 2 million people working in Ireland. One in twenty of them work in the health service. That's the statistic that astounds me.
The solution is more people and more money, isn't that obvious?shnaek said:You would think we'd have one of the best systems in the world with a stat like that. But as it is we have 1 in 20 people working for one of the worst health systems in Europe. You could try to ignore that but for the fact that health is the most important thing for any of us.
cuchulainn said:the nurses main grevience is that care workers in hospitals ( who are junior to nurses.dont have the same responsibilites, and didn't have to study for a degree) earn more than they do and when they said they wanted this situation sorted were informed that the next benchmarking would sort it out. we get what we deserve from a government with that attitude.
shnaek said:I was just reading that in the Business Post that:
"In most of the major Dublin hospitals, pay costs account for between 75 and 80 per cent of the overall budget."
This is surely unsustainable. Crazy in fact. I don't envy Mary Harney trying to sort that out. Does anyone know how that compares to health budget division in other EU countries?
GeneralZod said:We need a reduction in the percentage of the labour force in the state sector and new recruits should be hired on private sector terms.
The crucial point though is that the costs of inefficiency in the private sector are incurred by shareholders who are free to sell their stake, in the public sector the equivalent costs are incurred by taxpayers who don't have the same option. While inefficiency undoubtedly exists in the private sector it is a far greater problem in the public sector primarily because of the absence of incentive: you generally get the same rewards no matter how well or poorly you do your job. Public sector organisations also tend to have more layers of management than in the private sector, an obvious problem in the health system.RainyDay said:Having worked in both the public and private sectors, I find the differences less stark than one might think from reading this thread. There are people on both sides of the fence who should have been fired years ago, but aren't - for whatever reason. There are people who get rewarded for great work, and people who work hard for few rewards on both sides. The vast majority of people I encountered are dilligent, serious, enthusiastic and do the best job they can within their circumstances.
Add to that the money spent on private healthcare...This year the government will spend almost €13bn on health, over €3000 for every person in the state.
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