Stall the ball there just one minute!Then this morning Paschal Donoghue to the rescue. Galway TD said €3.5bn sent to country in five years but Donohoe says CSO figure is €17m a year.
This is how to deal with valid questions which have racial undertones, addressing them, not avoiding them, providing factual information not tut tutting.
If those who would like to see a far right politics develop in this country succeed, it will be with the IT and RTE fanning the flames. We have a lot to be grateful for in Fine Gael politics this morning.
Stall the ball there just one minute!
Who is to say the CSO is right and the World Bank is wrong because that's the route you and FG have taken?
Then this morning Paschal Donoghue to the rescue. Galway TD said €3.5bn sent to country in five years but Donohoe says CSO figure is €17m a year.
Also @cremeegg you're being a bit selective in your quoting of Miriam Lord, she stated the facts that Grealish has said feck all about anything non-Galway related (when he bothers to show up or vote) so this comment, following so quickly from his "spongers" comment that was also directed at African refugees is worthy of comment. If it walks like a duck, comments like a duck.....
That would equate to €39,000 per Nigerian, per year, being sent out of the country for the last five years using Grealish's figures.
The wider point that Cremeegg is making is that there is a habit of attacking the person before you listen to the specifics of the point they are making. It's a sort of crackdown on free speech by people who, ironically, consider themselves liberal.Stall the ball there just one minute!
Who is to say the CSO is right and the World Bank is wrong because that's the route you and FG have taken?
From commentary I've seen this morning, the CSO info is based on modelling around average earnings, population etc.
The World Bank is based on remittance estimates received from Govt's of the countries in question, adjusted by the WB.
You takes your picks....
Exactly. If people are racist then calling the people they agree with racist won't changer their views. It will just reinforce their sense of injustice. Calling out statements which are factually incorrect is the way to go.Name calling is counterproductive. There are plenty of people in this country who are suspicious of immigrants, when they see what appears to be a legitimate question being raised and the questioner shot down by name calling, that tends to reinforce their suspicions.
either there is some large scale, probably Europe wide, illegal activity going on with the profits being channelled through Ireland, (Grealish didn't say this but it is inescapable if his figures are correct)
Very good point. I have no doubt that the Deputy is playing to his gallery but the point of the thread is that name calling is not the best way to counter such populist (perhaps racist) comments. Thankfully Pascal (I do like Pascal) did the right thing and stuck to the facts.Its possible, but that is why deputy Grealish should use the resources of his office to investigate further before bringing speculative and unsubstantiated data before the floor of parliament.
Grealish belongs in the same camp as Gemma O'Doherty…….None of them deserve a public platform or to have their views discussed....
Of course The Journal come down on the side of the CSO figures which are much lower...wouldn't expect anything less from them.Fact Check in the Journal:
FactCheck: No, €3.5 billion was not sent to Nigeria by people living in Ireland over the past eight years
The claim was made by independent TD Noel Grealish in the Dáil yesterday.www.thejournal.ie
Clarifies that Grealish's comments relate to the sum over 8 years, not per annum.
The Journal comes down on the side of the CSO figures being reliable, but without any real evidence of this in the scope of the article - just that the World Bank figures are estimates. I think the CSO figures are counting real data, but it seems very possible this is only a subset of the data.
I utterly disagree with this.
Everyone is entitled is entitled to ask questions. Elected TDs particularly.
If they are shut down, people who were engaged by the question become disengaged from politics. Thats what fuels right wing extremism.
Noel Grealish may be talking nonsense, (a first in Irish politics,) or he may have a point, to say he does not deserve a public platform is anti democratic. He was elected to the platform he has.
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