I can stay on my current nightsaver tariff but I want to know what my options are when I decide to shop around and move - in fact my fixed rate Flogas nightsaver tariff is now not competitive so I want to switch now (even after t he €50 penalty I am likely to save). But I don't know if my options include currently available nightsaver tariffs or only flat rate 24 hour tariffs and actual smart plans?Just trying to figure it out, and may not a helpful answer, but does the fact that you can stay on a non-Smart plan if you choose, solve the problem? Have seen people on AAM mention recently that they were quite surprised to find after crunching the numbers that the Smart plan rate worked out cheaper for them.
I only have a few days of data so that's not really of any use yet.If you were to play around with www.energypal.ie could you get a handle on how much you would pay if you switched. You can use the option to input your own figures and play around with that.
I actually assumed that it was a dumb question that would have been raised and answered already but when I went looking (here and elsewhere) I couldn't find anything. All that the leaflets that I received in advance of the smart meter installation said was "your current tariff/contract is not affected". They didn't say anything about what happens going forward and if nightsaver tariffs would remain an option for erstwhile nightsaver meter users.Interesting question.
How did you give them day and night readings when the smart meter just lists a single kW(h?) figure as far as I can see? Ditto with online access to the smart meter data as far as I have been able to tell.I am in the process of changing my supplier and had the smart meter installed this week. I applied for the nightsaver with EI and gave them the new readings (which were starting from 0).
That's interesting and hopefully promising. I will call Energia on Monday (nobody there today) to ask them because at the moment their nightsaver tariff looks like the most competitive for my use. I haven't checked out smart plans because I don't have sufficient data yet and at a glance they look much more expensive than nightsaver tariffs.I was initially confused and thought my readings were missing but I rang ESB networks and explained and she put me right on the readings. She didn't mention anything about not changing to another nightsaver rate in a different company and given that she gave me my last readings from the old meter she would/may have known. I'll update this thread as I get info.
I know - but that doesn't answer my question which is - can a smart meter user opt for any of (a) a nightsaver tariff (b) a 24 hour flat rate tariff or (c) a smart plan tariff - or are they eligible only for (b) or (c)?The smart meters record the electricity used every 30 minutes, so it is possible to know consumption on an time basis
I accepted it on the understanding that (a) it would not affect my tariff options (but I hadn't thought it through to my options when shopping around next time!) (b) it's not my property anyway so I presume that they can do what they want with it especially since it's externally accessible and (c) if I refused it now then they might charge me a fee when they decided that it had to be replaced later...I currently have a nightsaver meter. At the moment if I am offered a smart meter, I will refuse to accept it. I will be very interested to see what happens to you Clubman.
I only ever had a nightsaver day/night meter with everything in the house (in particular the storage heaters and immersion) using night rate units at night (23:00-08:00/00:00-09:00 winter/summer) and day units otherwise. I never had a storage heater meter which switched the storage heaters only to night rate units.Did you previously have a storage heating meter arrangement, or just a nightsaver meter set up ?
The storage heating set up has llower standing charges but must be separately wired from the meter time switch and doesn't allow your general domestic electricity to be at night rate.
I don't understand - I presume that whatever did the switching between the day and night metering in the nightsaver meter was built into the nightsaver meter and now that it has been removed and replaced by the smart meter the switching mechanism is gone too? In any case even with a separate timer the unit rate will presumably be dictated by the smart meter and the selected tariff in operation?I presume they have removed your meter time switch.
In my set up I use the meter time switch to switch a contactor to feed certain appliances, to ensure that they only operate at night rate.
If my meter time switch was removed I would need to have work carried out to switch my contactor by other means.
The set up in my house uses a separate large time switch to switch the dual tariff meter between day and night. It was installed about 30 years ago. Mabye the timing mechanism is built in to more modern day and night meters.I don't understand - I presume that whatever did the switching between the day and night metering in the nightsaver meter was built into the nightsaver meter and now that it has been removed and replaced by the smart meter the switching mechanism is gone too? In any case even with a separate timer the unit rate will presumably be dictated by the smart meter and the selected tariff in operation?
Wouldn't that be liable to tampering such as using the lower cost meter outside of the official hours?The set up in my house uses a separate large time switch to switch the dual tariff meter between day and night. It was installed about 30 years ago. Mabye the timing mechanism is built in to more modern day and night meters.
Ah, ok. I misunderstood this as you having installed the timer yourself...The time switch is supplied by Electric Networks and has a seal to prevent tampering.
In my set up I use the meter time switch to switch a contactor to feed certain appliances, to ensure that they only operate at night rate.
If my meter time switch was removed I would need to have work carried out to switch my contactor by other means.
Smart meters still do day/night tariffs. My guess is that the OP would still be allowed to remain on an urban nightsaver meter (as it happens I'm in a similar position - except the home's storage heaters were all broken when I bought the house, but I do my best to utilise energy at night wherever possible). I suppose the bigger question might be if someone who previously had a 24hr rate would now be able to change to day/night tariffs given that the meter can handle any kind if time of day oriented meter?I actually assumed that it was a dumb question that would have been raised and answered already but when I went looking (here and elsewhere) I couldn't find anything. All that the leaflets that I received in advance of the smart meter installation said was "your current tariff/contract is not affected". They didn't say anything about what happens going forward and if nightsaver tariffs would remain an option for erstwhile nightsaver meter users.
How did you give them day and night readings when the smart meter just lists a single kW(h?) figure as far as I can see? Ditto with online access to the smart meter data as far as I have been able to tell.
That's interesting and hopefully promising. I will call Energia on Monday (nobody there today) to ask them because at the moment their nightsaver tariff looks like the most competitive for my use. I haven't checked out smart plans because I don't have sufficient data yet and at a glance they look much more expensive than nightsaver tariffs.
That's a very specific setup to cater for night storage heaters - not sure if plans for them still exist but basically they wire into specific circuits at the fusebox and on to the meter - at one point there were specific plans where there was a triple rate that only catered for storage heaters - BG still have it on their site as the "night storage tariff" - and I think you actually had an additional meter wired to the internal fusebox and specific circuits for the storage heaters.The set up in my house uses a separate large time switch to switch the dual tariff meter between day and night. It was installed about 30 years ago. Mabye the timing mechanism is built in to more modern day and night meters.
Smart Data | Smart 24 hour | Smart Drive | |
Night | 16.31 | 29.03 | 7.54** |
Day | 30.47 | 29.03 | 33.86 |
Peak | 31.94 | 29.03 | N/A |
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