Key Post Nevin Institute: " low paid pay more tax"


Pay increases in the private sector have to be based on a corresponding increase in the value of the employee in question. The best way to increase net pay is to reduce taxes on work.
 


This is the precise goal of NERI, to quell public demand for tax cuts and thus facilitate a policy switch to pay hikes in the public sector.

It won't work. The tax burden on ordinary people is crippling and they are seething.
 

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This is the precise goal of NERI, to quell public demand for tax cuts and thus facilitate a policy switch to pay hikes in the public sector.

It won't work. The tax burden on ordinary people is crippling and they are seething.
I think sadly it will work, the people who decide tax policy stand to benefit.

A report a few years ago into deciding if higher paid public servants were overpaid found that they were paid reasonably compared to a select group of well off countries if higher Irish tax rates were taken into account.

The demented implication was that public pay levels can take into account taxation, well high taxation at least.

The last thing a lot well placed people want is a decrease in taxes that benefits every worker in the country. Not when they can target that money towards themselves.
 
This is the precise goal of NERI, to quell public demand for tax cuts and thus facilitate a policy switch to pay hikes in the public sector.

It won't work. The tax burden on ordinary people is crippling and they are seething.

With the Fempi act due to expire in 2016 , with a General election in the current Government's collective minds & a promise by Mr. Howlin to negotiate on a part reversal of the pay cuts & most of all due to the fact that the Government are constantly espousing the fact that the future is rosy I believe that the pressure to partially restore pay cuts is overwhelming.

Soon people may seethe but the vast majority are accepting as recent history has proved.
 
Politicians are advised by the very Public Servants who will benefit from the Trade Union's propaganda office release. Those officials are themselves unionised. The Unions are a large voting block. The general public don't stand a chance. That's the way it is and that's the way it has been since the Unions subverted the democratic process through the Socialist Partnership process.
 
I believe that the pressure to partially restore pay cuts is overwhelming.

Soon people may seethe but the vast majority are accepting as recent history has proved.

If the political establishment go down this road and ignore the seething resentment against oppressive taxation, they will reap a bitter electoral and social harvest.
 
If the political establishment go down this road and ignore the seething resentment against oppressive taxation, they will reap a bitter electoral and social harvest.

I think there will be 2 lanes to that road - there will be slight adjustments to taxation & modest restoration of pay & of course if FF & Sinn Fein are the winners in any fortcoming election then those parties relationship with Unions has always been cordial - plus ca change !

There is already a precedent in the semi states , I think I'm right in thinking that Bus Eireann workers are to have their pay restored shortly.

I do think you are overstating the seething resentment re current taxation policies - a reluctant acceptance perhaps ?
 

Hi Purple

I heard it being introduced as a think thank funded by the Trade Unions on at least one occasion.

I emailed RTE about their response to the report and, as a result (?), they had Séamus Coffey on Morning Ireland this morning responding to it.

My main problem with the coverage, is that they all treated it as gospel.


I am writing a piece for the Sindo which, hopefully, will debunk it.


Brendan
 

With all due respect to your expertise Brendan I hardly think your inside piece is likely to unduly alter the positive perception of the Nevin report in the media to date - challenge perhaps but debunk may possibly be overstating what you can achieve particularly as the headlines have been written & they have indeed treated the report as gospel

I will of course read your piece with interest !
 

When it's noisy with people shouting with forked tongue's there's still no reason not to speak the truth.
 
Hi Deise

OK, maybe "debunk" is too strong a word. But I will challenge it.

Am I being too optimistic to think that journalists reading the article, may be more skeptical in future?

brendan
 
I heard it being introduced as a think thank funded by the Trade Unions on at least one occasion.
It's not just funded by them. That would imply some level of independence.
It is a creature of the trade unions, a minion, a tentacle, a mouth piece ... (I'd go on but I don't want to appear biased ).
 
Here is the Irish Times piece:

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/tax-and-fairness-1.1911025
 
Seán Whelan, RTE's Economics Correspondent has written a blog piece about it which is far more challenging and quotes Séamus Coffey and me extensively.

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NERI don't care about being wrong and don't care about challenges.

They're simply trying to get some trade union spin in early for the budget. What the unions are saying is the same as the poster Deiseblue in this tread except not as honestly, don't even think of reducing income tax because they can increase public sector salaries instead. the last thing the peculiar Irish version of socialism wants is to help all workers.

Notably their internet sites don't seem to allow comments. http://www.nerinstitute.net/blog/ https://www.facebook.com/nerinstitute .