Brendan Burgess
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So to sum up:I have today, sent the attached letter to Governor Mahklouf
Dear Governor
I have read your reply to Pearse Doherty's question about vulture funds and the figures in it are wrong.
The most serious error is the implication that up to 54,000 could switch when the correct number is an absolute maximum of 1,000.
Furthermore, it fails to explain why neither the Central Bank nor the government will take any action to protect the 34,000 customers of vulture funds who are paying egregiously high mortgage rates who cannot switch.
It demonstrates that the Central Bank does not have an understanding of the issues involved.
As it is urgent that you correct the errors and to expedite matters, I have suggested a draft response to Deputy Doherty.
As always, I am free to meet you and your staff if they want to get a fuller understanding of the issue.
Brendan
About 16% of mortgages, so not tiny at all (https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/...e funds and non-bank,by such funds in Ireland.)Are you saying Brendan that these are only a tiny portion of people with a mortgage with a vulture fund?
@LuternauBased on your figures is it arguable (by the CB) that approx 33% (21,000) of account holders with trackers have opted to remain with fund to keep their tracker?
Though with the increases all being passed on, some may get a cheaper fixed with a mainstream lender (assuming credit history is OK).
The more relevant percentage is those who can’t switch.About 16% of mortgages, so not tiny at all (https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41140702.html#:~:text=Vulture funds and non-bank,by such funds in Ireland.)
It's hilarious you've offered to go and educate the governor and staff of the Central Bank of Ireland.
Surely when vultures got their loans to buy the portfolios off the banks they got the money on the cheap when intrest rates were near to nothing so there argument for passing on all the rate hikes doesn't make sense
I worry that if my performing mortgage had been transferred to a vulture fund
Are you saying Brendan that these are only a tiny portion of people with a mortgage with a vulture fund?
The more relevant percentage is those who can’t switch.
If I take out a mortgage with ptsb I should not have to pay higher mortgage rates because they sold my mortgage to a vulture which has a different funding model.
But on the other hand, if the vulture buys my mortgage from ptsb at a discount because it's in arrears, I should not be charged a lower rate than I would otherwise be paying.
An excellent summary, thank you.This is the key table
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29,000 are on trackers, so it doesn't matter if they can switch or not. They are not paying egregiously high rates, so they should not switch.
34,000 are paying egregiously high rates and can't switch.
Brendan
I've made that point before too.An excellent summary, thank you.
But aren’t these borrowers who, at various times, have defaulted on their obligations? Shouldn’t they pay higher rates? Isn’t this the market doing what the market does?
If they don't understand the basics, and they are in charge, they shouldn't be in the role of overseeing anything banking. Everybody on the planet knows vulture funds rates are higher. If they weren't we'd all be banking with them. This is extraordinary stuff from the Central Bank.I met the staff involved earlier in the year. I was surprised at their lack of appreciation of the issue e.g.
"The vulture funds are allowing people to fix their repayments". They didn't seem to fully appreciate that this was different from fixing the mortgage rate. I was a bit confused. They must have understood this so it's possible that they were taking a Devil's Advocate approach.
"The vulture funds are just passing on the rate increases". They did not appreciate how artificially high variable rates were in the first place.
If they don't understand the basics, and they are in charge, they shouldn't be in the role of overseeing anything banking.
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