I'm getting a trifle confused here and as I am not homophobic and have seen well known homosexual people state that they do not agree with gay couples being given the right to adopt children. Without clogging up the debate can anybody inform us of the full truth of what will happen in adopting children if we vote in favour of Gay Marriage. I would ask that the reasons given are kept within the boundary of not being homophobic.
I'm all in favour of it; why should they be happy?I cannot understand anyone objecting to gay marriage to be honest
I think we also need to separate religious and civil marriage more definitively. No priest or rabbi or mullah should act as an agent of the state so couples should have to go the a registry office to sign a civil register in order to constitute a civil marriage.If that is a legal issue then a smart move would be to separate (if possible) marriage and family. Apart from the rights of children, now on their own legislative footing I think, I dont see why issues like adoption etc would need to be in the constitution.
. . . - each set of potential parents should be rated on their suitability for each child, regardless of their sexual orientation. I would sooner be raised by 2 loving fathers than by a mother & father with issues.
Firefly.
But, would you sooner be raised by a loving mother and loving father without issues than by two loving homosexual fathers (also without issues)?
I'm all in favour of it; why should they be happy?
. . . if there were two couples suitable for adoption, and you could pick which one you wanted based on shared interests or similar life goals?
Please expand your submission. Have you no reservations whatsoever regarding adoption? Is this your opinion only? Have you discussed the issue with people who have adopted children? Have you discussed the issue with anybody who gave a baby up for adoption?Just yes, a million times yes. We should have equality, both for marriage and in relation to adoption etc etc.
Leper is asking good questions here.Please expand your submission. Have you no reservations whatsoever regarding adoption? Is this your opinion only? Have you discussed the issue with people who have adopted children? Have you discussed the issue with anybody who gave a baby up for adoption?
I will be voting no because I believe that the civil partnership legislation is sufficient and that marriage is a gendered institution.I will be voting yes, presuming yes means allowing marriage equality. Not so much because I think the civil partner legislation is lacking, but more that it would be a signal of true equality.
This is the nub of the issue. The new provision will be inserted under article 41 (The Family) of the constitution. Adoption agencies will be unable to favour placing a child with a mother & father over other configurations.The jist of the argument from the Iona representative was that marriage is defined in the constitution within the article on family. So if you permit same sex marriage then automatically there is equality on family issues like adoption.
Indeed. That's a bit of a straw man. Other than adoption by one parent or relative the choice will be between (issue-free) mother & father or same-sex couples and it will be a minefield for the adoption agency if this referendum is carried.I would sooner be raised by 2 loving fathers than by a mother & father with issues.
Adoption should be about the best interest of the child, not equal rights for adults to adopt children. If it's about the child then there is no inequality. The state should not deny an adoptive child the right to a mother or a father, even in our modern and progressive society.All else being equal should a child go to a stable and loving heterosexual couple or a stable and loving homosexual couple? . . if it’s an issue for anyone deciding where the child should go then there is no equality.
I'm getting a trifle confused here and as I am not homophobic and have seen well known homosexual people state that they do not agree with gay couples being given the right to adopt children. Without clogging up the debate can anybody inform us of the full truth of what will happen in adopting children if we vote in favour of Gay Marriage. I would ask that the reasons given are kept within the boundary of not being homophobic.
But, would you sooner be raised by a loving mother and loving father without issues than by two loving homosexual fathers (also without issues)?
You see that's part of the problem - the person being adopted does not have the choice; the choice will be made by somebody in our Health Service Exectuive (HSE).
Please expand your submission. Have you no reservations whatsoever regarding adoption? Is this your opinion only? Have you discussed the issue with people who have adopted children? Have you discussed the issue with anybody who gave a baby up for adoption?
Adoption should be about the best interest of the child, not equal rights for adults to adopt children. If it's about the child then there is no inequality. The state should not deny an adoptive child the right to a mother or a father, even in our modern and progressive society.
But, would you sooner be raised by a loving mother and loving father without issues than by two loving homosexual fathers (also without issues)?
That's the key issue. At the moment they can't adopt as a couple. The idea that there will be a competition between a straight couple and a gay couple is not realistic.It is probably more likely that male couples would look to the surrogacy route - because with the struggle straight couples have to adopt, I'd say it would be more practical
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