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The shame of the Neary case was not so much the extreme actions of Neary himself (who carried out 188 post-partum hysterectomies in his career, compared to an average of 5 or 6 for consultant obstetricians), but the fact that this was accepted by his medical and nursing colleages. From Wikipedia:What has one got to do with the other?
The midwife who did eventually stand up and call a halt was ostracised by her nursing colleagues.The Inquiry found how a senior consultant colleague of Dr Neary’s in the 70s and 80s, now deceased, told a Matron who was questioning the high number of hysterectomies that Dr Neary was “afraid of haemorrhage”. A junior consultant pathologist at the hospital in the early 80s asked his senior colleague why a perinatal uterus specimen he received seemed to have nothing wrong with it. The senior consultant replied “that’s Michael Neary for you”.
The shame of the Neary case was not so much the extreme actions of Neary himself (who carried out 188 post-partum hysterectomies in his career, compared to an average of 5 or 6 for consultant obstetricians), but the fact that this was accepted by his medical and nursing colleages. From Wikipedia:
The midwife who did eventually stand up and call a halt was ostracised by her nursing colleagues.
This 'closing of ranks' cost about 180 women their reproductive organs. I would hope that some lessons have been learnt in the medical profession that would stop 'closing of ranks' as a defensive reaction to such complaints.
Go back and check the little 'if' in my post. It was Purple (who has direct family connections in the medical profession) who raised the probability of closing of ranks.Has there been a 'closing of ranks' on complaints over the issuing of certs? If not it seems a bit unfair on the medical profession to go off on this tangent. Also a bit like tarring everyone with the same brush - something that I know you strenuously object to when directed at the public sector.
Even if the person is caught by their employers out and about in the pub or shopping or something- they could just say that they were having a good day or needed a drink etc etc
I've occasionaly gone out for lunch with the family while genuinely unfit for work in the past. From memory, it has been a one-day thing rather than off on a doctor's cert, but the same principle applies.I have loads of managers telling me they have met 'sick' employees out on the town and what can be done? Answer is nothing as the cert states that they are 'unfit for work'.
Go back and check the little 'if' in my post. It was Purple (who has direct family connections in the medical profession) who raised the probability of closing of ranks.
and you jumped on it to go off on a rant. I'm aware of Purple's family connections to the medical profession, there is no suggestion that that has any bearing on his comment/opinion, and I find the use of the term 'probability' inappropriate - he expressed an opinion. I found your subsequent comments insulting - i have some close family members in the medical profession and I have no doubts at all about their integrity.
If you've a problem with my post, click the red triangle. If you've a problem with Purple's statement "I can't see it working; they would just close ranks", (which in fact goes much further than stating it as a probability) feel free to take it up with him.
I've occasionaly gone out for lunch with the family while genuinely unfit for work in the past. From memory, it has been a one-day thing rather than off on a doctor's cert, but the same principle applies.
You don't need to put quotation marks around 'sick' - Unfit for work does not necessarily equal housebound.
Fiar point there rmelly. I should have said "In my opinion there is a high probability that they will just close ranks"Has there been a 'closing of ranks' on complaints over the issuing of certs? If not it seems a bit unfair on the medical profession to go off on this tangent. Also a bit like tarring everyone with the same brush - something that I know you strenuously object to when directed at the public sector.
And...?I have been off work twice with PND now. Each time I was able to get up, get dressed, and carry out basic life functions, but I was in no way capable of going into work.
I hope this isn't meant to imply that everyone else who is able to go shopping and doesn't go into work (specifically in cases of mental health illnesses) is malingering?If I was able to go shopping I'd go into work.
Hi I recevied a phone call from my manager yesterday requesting a meeting at home with a HR person present. I asked the reason for this and was advised that due to being of sick for three week would need to come and have a chat to see how things are going. Fine, my manager then said that she had another issue that she wished to talk to me about, but as I was not at work she would want to talk to me about this to. Asked why HR would be present and she said policy. Asked if I could have someone present was advised yes. Contacted HR later that day as something did not seem right went through this with HR guy who told me that manager had told him that my husband would be at the meeting in our own home. Advised that there seemed to be other issues that she did not want to disclose and should I have a union rep with me. He advised that perhaps I should. My manager seems to be trying to get rid of me and I have been feeling harrased by her. My medical problems have been genuine and my doctor advised that some of the stress from work are making them worse. Any suggestions??
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