Listen to the Tobacco Pushers Squeal!

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bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/abstract/bmj.38142.554479.AEv1

The facts speak for themselves.

The most interesting facts for me were:


1 The correlation between smoking and drinking
Current smoker 19.0 (units/week)
Non-smoker 8.3 (units/week)
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2. The benefit of quitting smoking at any stage
(this is selective but by no means biased, there are other stats for cancer of mouth, pharynx, oesophagus, pulmonary disease…etc.

Cause of death: Lung Cancer
No of deaths (1951-2001): 1052
Lifetime Non smokers 0.17 (1000 men/year)
Former smokers: 0.68 (1000 men/year)
Current smokers: 2.49 (1000 men/year)

Comment: The current smoker is 3.6 times more likely than the former smoker to die from lung cancer.


Breaking out the smokers figures
Cigarettes per day
1-14: 1.31 (1000 men/year)
15-24: 2.33 (1000 men/year)
>= 25 4.17 (1000 men/year)

Comment: The 25+ per day smoker is 25 times more likely to die of lung cancer than the non smoker.

3. There seems to be no correlation between smoking and high/low blood pressure
 
Hi NatChessman,
Thanks for the interesting comments but your link is to a different (but facinating) paper on the smoking habits of British Doctors.
Mortality in relation to smoking: 50 years' observations on male British doctor
. I wonder are the habits of a certain Scottish Socialist Doctor captured in the statistics.
ajapale
 
I didn't think there were any socialists left in New Labour ?!?!?

Someone better tell big Tony quickly, before the papers find out !!

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"Thanks for the interesting comments but your link is to a different (but fascinating) paper on the smoking habits of British Doctors"

AJP, are you on a go slow today? It’s the same paper! it looks at the effects of smoking. The study population is male doctors in UK (post 1951). This population was chosen because it was felt (and subsequently proven) that they would be an easy group to follow up, if they fall of the register they may be dead! Also it was felt that in general they would have good records on themselves.

Another odd anomaly two died of burns sustained by smoking in bed...try to find a category for that!!
 
Yeah...I'd imagine a ban similar to ours is on the cards in Britain within the next five years.
 
Radio 4 had one of Labours policy wonks on the lunchtime show today, who said that a ban isn't a foregone conclusion. He highlighted the experience of governments in other countries where a ban had been introduced, and the incumbent government later received a kicking from the voters !!

Being a pragmatic politician, I wouldn't see a smoking ban on the mainland as a fait accompli
 
Hi Noel,

The UK Labour party are going to get a kicking anyhow! If they bring in a smoking ban it will simply be a convenient excuse to deflect attention from the real reasons.

Does any one (besides the self deluded publicans) seriously believe that many people voted against the government in the recent election solely because of the smoking ban?

Some research done by an outfit called "Amarach Consulting" shows that the ban is extreemly popular among ordinary people. www.amarach.com/


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ajapale
 
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Being a pragmatic politician, I wouldn't see a smoking ban on the mainland as a fait accompli
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Dunno about you off-shore islanders, but ban firmly in place here in Dublin!


:smokin no more
 
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3. There seems to be no correlation between smoking and high/low blood pressure

Oh I don't know. I saw a few smokers before the ban who were fit to burst with rage. Now that it's in everything seems to have calmed down.

I reckon it was the fags that was making them mad.

-Rd
 
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There seems to be no correlation between smoking and high/low blood pressure
One swallow does not make a summer. Smoking is recognised as one of the leading causes of high blood pressure (along with excessive weight, lack of exercise, salt) in every other medical study. The absence of coorelation in this particular study does not negate that accepted fact.
 
heart disease and circulatory disorders

Fom the UK nhs:

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Even though we have not discovered a correlation between smoking and high/low blood presssure there is a correlation between smoking and heart disease and circulatory disorders .
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ajapale
 
Re: heart disease and circulatory disorders

Hi Rainyday,

I am only commenting on this (BMJ June 2004) study, so your crititism is somewhat misplaced. You, on the other hand are not commenting on any particular study... go figure.

I think it is important that the anti-smoking lobby does not overplay its hand. Smoking is a killer of that there is no doubt; however it is not the cause of every ailment.

If big tobacco focus on poor research and badly presented stats they can undermine years of excellent research.
 
Re: heart disease and circulatory disorders

I am only commenting on this (BMJ June 2004) study, so your crititism is somewhat misplaced. You, on the other hand are not commenting on any particular study... go figure.
I'm not clear what you are saying - Are you telling us that you believe that smoking isn't a cause of high blood pressure?
 
95% - reason behind high blood pressure is not known

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I agree it is possible to overplay the anti smoking hand and do damage to the argument in the process. Years ago I had a doctor who blamed smoking for ingrown toenails!

ajapale
 
Re: heart disease and circulatory disorders

Rainy

My belief does not come into this discussion.

I took some (interesting ??) stats from a paper. I had been of the opinion that smoking effects blood pressure, however this study suggests not. Ajapale quoted from another that agrees with this.

So until I see some evidence to the contrary I am tending to accept that there is not connection.

Nat
 
Re: heart disease and circulatory disorders

I stand corrected. Smoking is not a cause of hypertension, but it is a 'risk factor' and the combination of smoking/hypertension does increase the risk of heart attack or stroke.
 
blood pressure

Hi Natchesman!
Try one yourself and you will see-feel-the kick.Smoking (nicotine application) certainly influences the blood pressure!It lowers the blood pressure by widening the blood vessels.No doubt about it.
 
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In these statistical studies, there is not such thing as facts! There are no conclusive proofs of anything.

They are based on levels of significance

It's extremely difficult to prove that smoking causes lung cancer for example. This is how tobacco companies can stay in business for so long.