I have experienced the same thing. Many Germans (+Dutch/Italians/Swedes...) I have contact with seem to view our NO vote with a mixture of confusion and thinly disguised dersion.
...I travel a fair bit to Europe thru work, mainly Germany, and our No vote has come up in discussions a few times and not always in a nice way. They cant understand our stance and how paranoid we are.
That's a ridiculous statement. I voted No because I believe we've ceded enough sovereignty to the EU and I don't want a Federal Europe.We voted no because we were a shower of arrogant ungrateful idiots who wanted to teach the establishment a lesson.
Indeed. A sound basis to vote YesIt's not the time to p*ss off Europe any further
We can agree on that sound advise. One good reason to vote No, even for those who voted Yes last time, is democratic principle. We said No, our Government should have told the EU No, and the EU should have followed their own rules and scrapped the treaty. EU structures should exist for the benefit of member nations' citizens and not for the benefit of EU career politicians and civil servants.If you are going to vote No, do it for the right reason.
Deja vu
Two friends have told me they are voting no because ....
o Min wage will be 1.84 if Lisbon is passed
o There will be conscription and Ireland will get involved in wars
o Ireland will lose its 'neutrality'
I really despair at the gullibility of people who believe such nonsense.
If anything the whole European project will prevent wars. Do people not study history at School anymore. 2 world wars because of a divided Europe. I say bring it on. Vote yes.
While I'm pro Yes I just dont buy that theory, the world has moved on anyway - plus the entire EU wont disintegrate if we vote No. Its just that it gives the impression there must be v little to recommend a yes vote if thats a suggested reason to vote yes (Vote Yes btw)
Voting no again for the same reason. It is the principle of the thing.
I think Europe was a bit annoyed at the last Bosnia situation where it couldn't mobilise quick enough because of the American stake in NATO. While it wouldn't have prevented conflict, there's a chance things may not have escalated to the situation they did. And despite what people think it was only because of some very honerable begging from Tony Blair that eventually got support.
I think Europe was concerned that it couldn't move to resolve issues within it's own borders without the consent of America. While it makes sense practically and, as we've found these last few years, morally, to not have armies at the mercy of the American Military, it's another of those "sensisble" issues that require a new agreement.
Though of course, the American military is a bit upset and fearful that a unified European army would have a bit more clout globally than them and so have been trying to nix this part for a while...did someone say Ganley is back?
Irish people like to say No. We like to break the rules and rebel against the establishment. It's part of our psyche. Even tho the Yes campaign had all-party support last time out, it was defeated, mainly due to Ganley and Govt overconfidence.
I think a second No vote will be detrimental to this country but I do acknowledge that the govt has handled it badly.
I will vote Yes and hope it is passed.
cowan would never agree to that...like all politicians his ego is too big!........ Come on Cowan, do the right thing for once.
Roy
It was defeated the first time. They are riding roughshod over the will of the people.
No means no!
Like most of Europe, we should leave these important decisions to our elected representatives and public servants - sure they know what is good for us...
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