Labour Party childcare bribe

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Joan's first big offer to bribe the people with their own money is to spend a half a billion offering massively subsidised childcare places to all children up to the age of 12. The cost would be €500'000'000 per year.
The same money, according to a healthcare economists on the radio last week, would fund the necessary hospital beds to ring us up to the OECD average per head of population and get rid of the A&E crisis. If there's a half a billion to spend would that not be a better place to spend it?
 
+1 Purple. Nearly hit the roof when I heard that this morning. Clearly Labour have learned nothing from the boom. I have no problem with suggestions to help families with childcare costs but simply throwing tax revenue at the problem is crazy talk! As you say, if we have half a billion to spend there are many many better ways of spending it. Labour are clearly hitting the panic button...
 
As someone hammered by childcare costs I was delighted to hear of this proposal. But I still won't vote for Labour!
 
But Delboy do you not think there are infinitely better ways of helping reduce childcare costs than the state directly getting involved like this and using tax payers money to do so? How about reducing the cost of providing childcare (i.e. taking less from childcare providers in the way of tax and likewise taking less from childcare workers in tax) so that the childcare can be provided at a cheaper cost without the state directly getting involved. The less the government have to do with the running of business the better imho and personally I think there is already enough tax money going directly to young families in the lines of the child welfare and free GP visits. I think this is purely an attempt to buy votes and a very poor one at that.
 
If there is a better way, then let some other Party run with it and I'll listen. Right now, this is the only offer on the table
 
Im being hammered by childcare costs at the minute...
But Labour wont implement this soon enough to help me... According to their 'plan' it will take 5 years (the course of the next government) to implement. And at that they will still need a willing coalition partner..
Pie in the sky...

They would be better off looking at the causes of the high costs rather than just throwing money at it. Complete and utter auction politics... We have had some beauties as Labour leaders but Joan takes the biscuit...

One thing that could be looked at...
In this country school principals run their schools like personal fiefdoms. They close at 3:30 at the latest (primary schools) and the building is then under utilised. Why not run childafter care from the school, rather than taking the child out at 3:30 and bring them to the next location. Just a simple thing that could help rather than enriching creche owners who pay staff minimum wage and give parents sky high costs.
 
Ceist Beag said:
But Delboy do you not think there are infinitely better ways of helping reduce childcare costs than the state directly getting involved like this and using tax payers money to do so?
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I think that there are elements in the Labour party that would see childcare being supplied by the state or private creches under state regulation as preferable to childcare in the home by the parents.

It puts women in the workforce and it allows social values be inculcated in the children before handing them over to the (religious) schools.
 
One of the major costs of childcare is insurance. If a schools insurance covered the period after school, and an hour before, then private operators could run childcare facilities in the school during those times. The school would be paid by the operators and so it would raise revenue for them. Why have no schools done this of their own volition?
 

Why can one parent staying at home teach the child social values rather than from stranger in a creche? I would much rather more support to families to allow this option rather than cheaper creches.
 
TRS30 said:
Why can one parent staying at home teach the child social values rather than from stranger in a creche? I would much rather more support to families to allow this option rather than cheaper creches.
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You just don't understand socialism.
 
TRS30 said:
Why can one parent staying at home teach the child social values rather than from stranger in a creche? I would much rather more support to families to allow this option rather than cheaper creches.
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Shhhh, the Feminists might hear you and send round the Thought Police/Irish Times Columnists to fix your head
 
TRS30 said:
Why can one parent staying at home teach the child social values rather than from stranger in a creche? I would much rather more support to families to allow this option rather than cheaper creches.
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I would agree with you up to a point.

The point being where parents teach children that the values of the society they live in are wrong. That women's place is in the home, that homosexuality is evil (an intrinsic disorder) and all the other odd things that some people like to teach their children. Time enough for them to learn those things when they go to proper school.
 
Surely Children are the responsibility of parents,so input on young childcare by the State is a bonus ?

I think most parents would prefer to rear their kids for the first 4 years, rather than rely on any sort of crèche ?

As Delboy says , this is the best offer on the table .

Those who have crèche costs are in a voting minority ,so other competing interests, eg primary education, may well say ,why should the State pay any crèche costs allowance etc.

If you have young children, your crèche years will fly by and by next election you will have primary/secondary education in your sights.
So for the next 5 years try for crèche help and vote Labour !
 
Delboy said:
Shhhh, the Feminists might hear you and send round the Thought Police/Irish Times Columnists to fix your head
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I said one parent not the mother, to keep everyone happy


There is nothing to say that a creche worker/child minder wouldn't do the same.
 
TRS30 said:
There is nothing to say that a creche worker/child minder wouldn't do the same.
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Creche workers are trained at FETAC colleges under state control.

Primary school teachers for the most part are trained at religious institutions, St Pats, Mary I, CICE etc.

So the values passed on by creche workers are more influenced by the state which the Labour party likes, than by the Churches, which the Labour party these days does not like.
 
Was chatting to my wife about this last night. We questioned how much a child of creche going age can be 'thought values'. This is much more likely to happen at school going age where unfortunately the RC church have an unhealthy dominance. However that is another discussion.
 
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