. . . . wrong again Purple! - It's their pensions entitlements (note pensions not pension).I find it strange that many of the same people who say that politicians are overpaid also lament the lack of representation from the private sector. Teachers and Lawyers become politician s because they can walk back into their old job if they lose their seat. That's why there are so many of them in the Dail.
If their pension(s) entitlement was that good then more people from the real economy would be politicians.. . . . wrong again Purple! - It's their pensions entitlements (note pensions not pension).
The pensions are in line with senior civil servants....
Good explainer hereIs this actually true, Purple?
I'd be amazed if the accrual basis and other conditions weren't more attractive for TDs/Ministers versus civil servants?
The pensions for ministers are way better. The pensions for TD's are about the same as the rt of the public sector and nowhere near as the pensions Gardai get. They also have a maximum of 5 years job security.Exactly - the pensions for TDs/Ministers are way better
New entrants? Absolutely; they were shafted by their Unions to protect the T's & C's of the existing members. Now they are pretending that they care. That's a recent thing though.Off topic yes but current TDs at N/40ths accrual and N/16ths accrual for ministers is nowhere near comparable to the current career average civil service scheme. Your the one that brought it up!
As a matter of interest, comparing like for like, what is the accrual rate as a % of salary for new guards - i.e. those post 2012 who are subject to the career average plan?
Fair enough. My point is that when you take the hours, responsibility and lack of job security into account politicians pensions are a necessity unless we want to be ruled by people who have never worked in the real economy and the idle rich.Purple,
I was only questioning your comment about the pensions of politicians being in line with senior civil servants. It is not true.
The only reason I mentioned new entrants in my last post is because there are so many different pension schemes. For new entrants, politicians win.
If you want to go back in time - say 20 years ago, the TDs pension was 50% of salary after 20 years payable from age 50 (plus gratuity)
The guards pension is 50% of salary after 30 years payable from age 55 (plus gratuity)
By your own admission, the cops used to get the pension cream.
Demonstrably, run of the mill TD, did miles better than the cop so we can figure that he is doing miles and miles better than the civil servant which was the point that I was querying.
The government has just handed Covid-19 a platform to increase it's dreadful toll of death and infection.
The risk of dying from Covid in Ireland is 0.0004 and symptoms are mild for 80% of people. Imagine a disease so catastrophic that you need a test to tell you you have it. Pretty sure I know when I have the flu !
Meanwhile 2000 people are walking around with undiagnosed cancers because of cancelled screenings.
I love when people simply use an overall average to justify a false narrative, it would be better if the data for each subset of our population was used, but I doubt that's going to happen.The risk of dying from Covid in Ireland is 0.0004 and symptoms are mild for 80% of people. Imagine a disease so catastrophic that you need a test to tell you you have it. Pretty sure I know when I have the flu !
Meanwhile 2000 people are walking around with undiagnosed cancers because of cancelled screenings.
I hope Waterford do it , as a Corkman I'll be behind ye......Like yourself Leper , returning to Level 3 with a renewed sense of optimism and hope.
A vaccine to be rolled out soon hopefully, Waterford in an All Ireland and Christmas nearly upon us.
After 14 years on a Bank of Ireland defined pension supplementary income is on the way next week in the form of the contributory OAP , the first payment of which coincides with the bonus Christmas payment - double joy !
I intend to , if spared and things return to some normality , share this largess with the community as a whole - particularly publicans , bookies , restaurants, hotels , shops and travel agents and charities.
I must mentally draft my letter to my local TD in time for the next budget bemoaning the meagre increase ( or no increase ) in the OAP - that’s apparently what’s expected of us .
The downside is a friend pointed out that I will start shouting at the TV and mistaking the doorbell and phone ringing on the TV for my own doorbell and. phone !
Thanks for the tip about teenagers on scooters , I’ll add that to my Pensioner’s list of things to be enraged about.
Nope, you don't know when you have the flu necessarily. Asymptomatic & mild flu is an established concept also.
What you thought was a cold may have been a mild flu, a strain similar to one you previously encountered.
Imagine a disease so catastrophic that you need a test to tell you you have it?
And cancer screenings have resumed though there is a backlog from spring. One of the reasons for the restrictions over past few months has been to ensure hospitals can continue with routine operations. In some other countries at the moment, to free up capacity as we did in spring, routine procedures have been cancelled.
More than 300,000 cancer screenings delayed due to Covid crisis
The pandemic forced the suspension of services and reduced screening capacitywww.irishexaminer.com
In this scenario, think of the covid test as screening to try to detect it before you spread it to someone for which it could be 'catastrophic'.
I love when people simply use an overall average to justify a false narrative, it would be better if the data for each subset of our population was used, but I doubt that's going to happen.
Then let's use cancer to further the narrative, well undiagnosed cancer is the same every year as the majority people don't go for or do anything about getting tested. We lose more people to cancer due to indifference than we do if we weren't screening.
A few years ago , about 4/5 the HSE along with the ICS sent out "poo sample" kits to test for bowel cancer, less than 35% returned them and the majority of those who did were survivors. Bowel cancer has a 90% plus survival rate.
As a survivor it really annoys me that people who haven't the first clue about the statistics or what the disease is, simply trot it out to justify an irrelevant and often dangerous view, and pretend to actually care about cancer patients.
Thank you Paul , much appreciated.I hope Waterford do it , as a Corkman I'll be behind ye......
The pertinent point is that the vast majority of people will walk away unscathed from Covid. Untreated they won't from cancer.
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