It's a cost of living 'something'. Based on the dictionary definition it is a crisis, it is both negatively affecting significant numbers of people and it is a turning point in terms of trends for the future. So arguing the semantics of 'crisis' is a dead end.I wouldn't call it significant but that notwithstanding being able to save less doesn't mean your household is experiencing a cost of living crisis, it means that it has less of a surplus
Basically, rents in Ireland should be below the levels in very rich cities, and below the levels in world-level cities.
They may just have a problem.Do they also have crises?
Mary Lou did actually call it at the average house in Dublin to be 300k.
We spend well over a half a billion Euro a year on take away coffee and the market is growing. Sales in bars, seasonally adjusted, are up 8% in Q1 year on year. I'm just not buying the motion that there's a national cost of living crisis. It's certainly a crisis for some people, but not for the vast majority.It's a cost of living 'something'. Based on the dictionary definition it is a crisis, it is both negatively affecting significant numbers of people and it is a turning point in terms of trends for the future. So arguing the semantics of 'crisis' is a dead end.
What matters is that they all point to a real trend, along with the other indicators cited on the thread, and why government measures were needed to mitigate it or the impact of it would have been more severe.
Households should be saving and need to save.
We see grocery bills up by thousands of euros a year. Health insurance up by way more than inflation. And the base inflation rate on groceries is based on a cherry-picked basket of goods, the real impact is likely to be higher eg own brand products increasing in price \ disappearing, less offers and discounts
Ahem.I'm just not buying the notion that there's a national cost of living crisis. It's certainly a crisis for some people
Plans are great. They always actually happen. That's why we have a Metro in Dublin, a fully computerised and integrates IT system in the HSE, and we're building 50,000 homes a year.SF have a plan to build 8,000 affordable houses at this price.
It's more pointing it out than claiming it.An article in the Irish Independent today claiming Irish are among the richest in Europe...
Are the "vast majority" of people the ones splurging on take away coffee and bars?We spend well over a half a billion Euro a year on take away coffee and the market is growing. Sales in bars, seasonally adjusted, are up 8% in Q1 year on year. I'm just not buying the motion that there's a national cost of living crisis. It's certainly a crisis for some people, but not for the vast majority.
SF have a plan to build 8,000 affordable houses at this price.
This does not mean that overall average house prices would be 300k.
I don't know but the national trend is upwards.Are the "vast majority" of people the ones splurging on take away coffee and bars?
Exactly, just as an increase in the cost of groceries doesn't mean such an increase is a problem for everyone.Such isolated figures cannot speak to the experience of the vast majority of the people, all it can establish is that there is a cohort with money to spend.
Okay, so is flooding in Cork City a crisis in Cork City or a national crisis? Should we spend money for flood defences for every town and city in Ireland or should we spend it on Cork City and other cities and towns which data shows to have a similar risk of flooding?Regardless, it doesn't have to affect the vast majority or even the majority for it to be a crisis.
See above ref flooding.In the Irish Times article I linked from 2024 economist Austin Hughes used the phrase "a cost-of-living shock".
Depending on how the strength of your financial position the impact of that shock is what turns it into a crisis.
The CSO’s household budget survey for 2022/23 shows that weekly spend by those in the top 20 per cent of households was four times that of those in the bottom 20 per cent (€1,757 v €444), suggesting “altogether different capacities to cope with a cost-of-living shock,” Hughes says...
Yes, that's why they are saving a bit less.The average household has seen a drop in its disposable income, in real terms, of about 5 per cent...
A 605% increase in a big number and a 17.3% increase in a much smaller number.Median annual earnings of employees increased a cumulative 6.5 per cent between 2020 and 2023 while the cumulative increase in consumer prices over the same period was 17.3 per cent.
No household is living on the minimum wage.Despite citing these figures, Hughes says there is a central problem in economics about using average or median figures. “The idea that there is a ‘representative’ Irish consumer whose experience is mirrored across all households is not challenged enough,” he says.
“If you’re on the minimum wage, your household spending is not the same as the average consumer. The amount you spend on food, heating, rent is altogether greater so your cost-of-living has increased more significantly,” he says.
My recollection was that it was the latter. Mary Lou accidentally said something socialists and was put back in her box by her Party Leaders in the UK.Don't really want to get political but it was one of the only times I have seen a number put on what could be considered an end of crisis free market rate. Although it was either wrongly reported or backtracked.
That would imply there can only be a crisis if 100% of the population is impacted.Exactly, just as an increase in the cost of groceries doesn't mean such an increase is a problem for everyone.
(Neither - it's Cork. Well maybe we'll have to build a wall around it.)Okay, so is flooding in Cork City a crisis in Cork City or a national crisis? Should we spend money for flood defences for every town and city in Ireland or should we spend it on Cork City and other cities and towns which data shows to have a similar risk of flooding?
I'm sure you have figures to back that up to contradict economist Austin Hughes, whether that's the actual minimum wage or equivalent amount in benefits.No household is living on the minimum wage.
Since then, the median income has continued to increase while the rate of inflation has reduced, the average weekly earning increasing from about 800 to over 1000 (q1 2020 to q1 2025). Over the period, the level of inflation is about 22 per cent.Median annual earnings of employees increased a cumulative 6.5 per cent between 2020 and 2023 while the cumulative increase in consumer prices over the same period was 17.3 per cent.
Run the figures again in 3 months and inflation may have surged ahead.Since then, the median income has continued to increase while the rate of inflation has reduced, the average weekly earning increasing from about 800 to over 1000 (q1 2020 to q1 2025). Over the period, the level of inflation is about 22 per cent.
I suspect that Danny, God bless him, wouldn't know an SME if one of them bit him on the bum.semantics over the word 'crisis' as McCoy seems to suggest - or maybe he was just trying to get help for SMEs only
If we took the line McCoy took we'd target the people who need the help, rather than give less to them and the rest to people who don't need it.Instead, if we took the line McCoy took, it's not a crisis because only 10% of the country is under water. And it ignores what happens the next 10% and the next 10% of the country if trends continue and are not halted or reversed.
I've reality; we have a very generous welfare system. It's easy to calculate the income of a family reliant entirely on welfare or with one earner on the minimum wage, along with the significant additional benefits they get. I'm not saying that anyone in that situation is doing well, I'm saying that accuracy matters.I'm sure you have figures to back that up to contradict economist Austin Hughes, whether that's the actual minimum wage or equivalent amount in benefits.
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