Does this not depend on your roster? If you are 5/7, that is to say you work any 5 days in 7, the Saturday and Sunday are counted as sick days. Because, in theory, you could have been re-rostered to complete your weekly hours?You have been sick for a half day (Friday) and a whole day (Monday) - if you were not scheduled to work Saturday and Sunday you do not have to provide a Medical Cert. The aforementioned is written in stone in the Civil/Public Service.
Back in the day as a union rep I represented many of my colleagues on that matter. However, some management wrongly count Saturday and Sunday as sick days (when illness starts on Friday). Not with me they didn't.
Has this changed since 2017 @Leper ?You have been sick for a half day (Friday) and a whole day (Monday) - if you were not scheduled to work Saturday and Sunday you do not have to provide a Medical Cert. The aforementioned is written in stone in the Civil/Public Service.
The following sets out the process, based on the Regulations, for calculating absence periods arising from sick leave in the context of the working week being Monday to Friday. Similar principles are applied in relation to other working patterns.
- A Saturday and Sunday are only counted towards an individual’s sick leave record if the sick leave spans the weekend. An absence on a Friday followed by an absence on the Monday is considered to have spanned the weekend.
- Sick leave that spans a weekend will include the weekend, and in this example will be counted as four days of sick leave as it includes Saturday and Sunday.
2. Self-Certified Sick leave Where an employee is absent from work due to illness but does not attend a registered medical practitioner, such an absence will be classified as self-certified sick leave.
Selfcertified sick leave may not exceed two consecutive days on any occasion including where it spans a weekend (in the case of employees who work Monday to Friday), rest day(s) or a public holiday. e.g. Employee who works Monday to Friday if an employee is absent due to illness on Friday, off on Saturday and Sunday (rest daysL and returns to work on Monday, this counts as one day of absence and Friday is classified as a self-certified sick leave day. If the employee remains absent due to illness on Monday, this counts as four days of sickness absence and a medical certificate is required for the period. In the case of an employee who is at work on Friday and absent due to illness on Monday, this counts as one day of absence and is classified as a self-certified sick day. e.g. Employee who works a '5 over 7' roster If an employee is absent on Tuesday due to illness, rostered off on Wednesday and Thursday, and returns to work on Friday, this counts as one day of absence and Tuesday is classified as a self-certified sick leave day. If the employee remains absent on Friday (next scheduled working day), this counts as four days of sickness absence and therefore a medical certificate is required for the period.
Self Certified Sick Leave An employee may be granted up to a maximum of 7 days self certified sick leave in a rolling 24 month period (pro rata for part time staff). Self certified leave may not exceed two consecutive working days and a certificate from a registered medical practitioner is required where the sickness absence is longer than two consecutive working days. Paid sick leave for single or two day absences may be granted where an employee self certifies that they were unfit for duty due to illness. Any period of self-certified sick leave in excess of 7 days in the relevant period will be an unpaid absence from duty. HSE HR Circular 020/2012 sets out details regarding these arrangements.
Where is this ' written in stone', please?That is written in stone within the HSE and general Civil Service guidelines.
The issue is the amount of sick days and if you're sick on say half day of the evening of Friday and still off sick on the following Monday It's counted as 3.5 days sick leave, but a medical certificate is not required for the period.DES counts weekend as sick leave days if a teacher is off sick on Friday and the following Monday.
Ditto with holidays. e.g. If off sick before Easter and still off sick after Easter... all the Easter holidays count as sick days.
Not according to the HSE's Guidelines on Terms and Conditions of Employment 2017 :-The issue is the amount of sick days and if you're sick on say half day of the evening of Friday and still off sick on the following Monday It's counted as 3.5 days sick leave, but a medical certificate is not required for the period.
If the employee remains absent due to illness on Monday, this counts as four days of sickness absence and a medical certificate is required for the period.
Sparkrite, I'm retired for the past 3 years and I left all my notes behind and I have no further use for them. But, concentrate on the Common Sense aspect and I'm sure you'll be happy.Not according to the HSE's Guidelines on Terms and Conditions of Employment 2017 :-
Again Leper, you keep saying this is 'written in stone' but where is this tablet ?
Absolutely nothing to do with my state of happiness and in fact I resent that remark.Sparkrite, I'm retired for the past 3 years and I left all my notes behind and I have no further use for them. But, concentrate on the Common Sense aspect and I'm sure you'll be happy.
It is what is written in the T&C's of their employment contract which is pertinent and not what you or I may feel should be the way.Again, Common Sense was not so common.
and I have shown (with backup links/quotes (many,many more available)) that yes he may well have to.will I be classified as sick since Friday and have to send in cert to cover friday Saturday Sunday Monday ...…
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