HSE spending on non health related issues eg Traveller conflict resolution

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ajapale

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Why do we have to expend scarce health resources on what are clearly justice and "law and order" issues?

Why do we need an expensive HSE report to tell us that habitual law breakers (violent feuders) do not trust the police!
 
ajapale said:
Why do we have to expend scarce health resources on what are clearly justice and "law and order" issues?

Why do we need an expensive HSE report to tell us that habitual law breakers (violent feuders) do not trust the police!
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If you have notice we've had some conflicts with travllers over the last year. The HSE now knows they are under threat by the An Bord Snip report, so they have to be seeing to be useful and they think this CR report provides a good excuse why they should not face cut backs.

Pathetic really.
 
Pavee Point are involved in many of these reports

From their website

That Community Development Program has quite a few goals.
In fact they claim it's vital!
SIPTU must be gettting involved to represent the public service staff who are involved. And it involves quite a few departments, read on


These CDP's sound fantastic, like the solution to every problem....until something goes wrong
 
IMHO anything that can be done to bring those who are marginalised by our society in is worth spending money on. Are we looking for another moyross?
 
Is this strategy going to be a cross agency initiative or one of the HSE - where is it going to be piloted - and is the Irish Traveller Movement involved?
 
Henny Penny said:
IMHO anything that can be done to bring those who are marginalised by our society in is worth spending money on. Are we looking for another moyross?
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Who is marginalised? Travellers have been getting by on their 'culture' for too long and should have to abide by the rules like the rest of us.
 
MrMan said:
Who is marginalised? Travellers have been getting by on their 'culture' for too long and should have to abide by the rules like the rest of us.
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+1

The rule of law should be enforced though the heavans fall. If you break the law you should suffer the consequences.
 
Back to the point of the thread, I too was curious about the involvement of the HSE and looked into it. Particularly in light of that Eurostat report and some other comment recently, IMO I think a lot of things the HSE does end up being tarred with the same brush as A&E waits and hospital waiting lists... it can't all be that bad.

Turns out that the HSE has a social inclusion remit - meaning that it has to work with groups that are recognised as being marginalised on their health and wellbeing needs - more here: [broken link removed]
Seeing since certain elements of the travelling community don't do their neighbours any favours and that there are reports of children being dragged into disputes, I don't think its a bad thing that the HSE should move to work on conflict resolution. If that jargony term 'social gain' means improved family life (and particularly if children are spared the abuse of irresponsible disputes carried out by unreasonable adults) then surely that has to be a good thing?
 
Look up YouTube under the title Bare Knuckle Mums to see traveller women fighting with small children looking on and then tell me all Travellers care about children's health and well being. Maybe the HSE should have staff living on every halting site ready to jump in whenever fights start?

Travellers are adults, not unruly, troublesome kids, even if some behave like that, it is up to these adults to sort out trouble in their own community.
 
Complainer said:
Is it really such a big deal which department the funding comes from?
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Yes, I think it is!

It is important that government departments and agencies have a clearly defined mission and objectives. This allows us review their performance against those objectives.

I prefer small well focused agencies to carry out government policy. I am against amalgamating really diverse activities into one hugh amorphous HSE.
 
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