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Why the defensive attitude that talk of efficiencies only apply to front line staff?
I have repeated many times here that the first think that is needed is good management.
I'd take the protestations of front line staff seriously if nurses were not looking for an even shorter working week, if the standard working week was 39 hours, if annual leave was set at the statutory minimum and absentee levels in the HSE were not the highest in the country.
Recent industrial action by IMPACT was about staff cut backs. not for the increase in pay. It is because most of these union members are seeing sever cuts on the ground that is effecting patients.
The vast majority of people who are empolyed as health professionals do so because of a sence of vocation. they get into health care because they care about people, about making sick people better, because they want to give back to society, its not for money or to get cosy state jobs.
There is exteme flustration that there is cuts to front line services. And by the way the last industriakl action undertaken by IMPACT was done during lunch time.
Why the defensive attitude that talk of efficiencies only apply to front line staff?
I have repeated many times here that the first think that is needed is good management.
Yes I know but in lots of areas in the HSE, leave is planned, people cross cover, divert phones and work longer than contracted hours. I'm making the point that some solutions can't apply to the all areas in the HSE. The hosp reception open 12 hours a days 7 days a week need a certain amount of staff to cover all the shifts and I think expecting people to work extra for no money money all the time is a weak one no matter how much sense it makes.
I work an average of 45 hours a week and do another 3 or 4 hrs at home. My contracted hours are 33 and no I don't look for extra money I'm happy with my salary and holidays (31 btw) but I do work hard for it.
Health care proffessionals spin the line of caring about patients as indirect bribery and nothing more. They know full well the emotional imapct it has on the public perception and know that a minister for health has a very delicate situation to handle. Its a spin constantly played out and contradicts their own "We really care about the patients front".
.What do you expect? Cosy state jobs is what it now has become. Work ethos is non-existent. Any increase in work load is met with rumblings and union statements. Its about money and the irresponsible spending. In all walks of life budgets are set and if not adhered to, questions must be asked and solutions implemented. This didnt happen soon enough within out health care system and a line had to be drawn. Theres your budget make it work because the days of constantly funding an inefficient service are over
I asked you a question and you replied with two unrelated quotes. What gives?Quote:
Originally Posted by Purple
Why the defensive attitude that talk of efficiencies only apply to front line staff?
I have repeated many times here that the first think that is needed is good management.
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I'd take the protestations of front line staff seriously if nurses were not looking for an even shorter working week, if the standard working week was 39 hours, if annual leave was set at the statutory minimum and absentee levels in the HSE were not the highest in the country.
What?
There is so much complete rubbish there I dont know where to start.
Work ethos non existant? Please
Just because some private sector management will exploit its workers if allowed does not mean this has to go on in the public sector.
Did you read the specifics about my post on budgets?
you have a serious ax to grind with public services.!!!!!
Just because some private sector management will exploit its workers if allowed does not mean this has to go on in the public sector.
I will accept that things are not as black and white when it comes to hospitals verses an office situation, but it has come to this due to a complete lack of adaptability or even a willingness to adapt to changing situations without downing tools and spending six weeks in negotiations. HSE management staff have had plenty of time to buck the trend but failed.
I am in the exact situation but ask a public sector employee to do this, cue unions/strikes etc. This is where the private sector has finally become fed up with public sector workers, not just HSE staff.
I am in the exact situation but ask a public sector employee to do this, cue unions/strikes etc. This is where the private sector has finally become fed up with public sector workers, not just HSE staff.
Why should people work for nothing? Why is this acceptable or lauded? Why is it that workers in the private sector think its okay to work for nothing? have private sector workers been that brainwashed into believing that that kind of practice is accpetable?? Absolutly unbelievable.
It is never okay for people to work for nothing. Its called exploitation.
Maybe this post says it all. In the private sector this "them and Us", "Workers and management" ethos is very rare and in the truly competitive sectors it is non-existent. Basically if I don't do my job properly and efficiently the people who work for me can’t pay their mortgage and if they don't work the same way I can't pay mine. There is no "them and us", we are all in the same boat. I hate when some bearded clown from a public sector union starts prattling on about "the workers" as if they were a bunch of half-wits who couldn't look after themselves and "Management" as if managers didn't work (and in many cases were promoted to their positions from the roles that they now manage). This is not a Dickens novel; it's 21st centaury Ireland with all the laws and safeguards that go with it.
I am a public sector worker, the HSE in fact.
They do not work for nothing; they do so because they see that it is necessary for their own medium term job security, as their employer will not survive in a competitive market if the work does not get done.
Why should people work for nothing? Why is this acceptable or lauded? Why is it that workers in the private sector think its okay to work for nothing? have private sector workers been that brainwashed into believing that that kind of practice is accpetable?? Absolutly unbelievable.
It is never okay for people to work for nothing. Its called exploitation.
I suggested no such thing. BTW, the unions were bugger all use to the Turkish Gamma employees. Unions in Ireland are, to a large extent, political lobby groups who push around the government.If you think there is no eploitation of workers in 21st century ireland you are being extremely nieve.
I am proud that members of my family were instramental in setting up the Irish Trade Union movement. They would be sickened if they saw what their life’s work had turned into.Union leaders are there to try to defend workers rights. You forget that all thouse safeguards you talk about were put into place by UNION action and lobbying and negotiation.
What are you talking about? Most Irish employees working in the most competitive sectors are working for small to medium sized Irish companies. Where are they going to go?Even in the most compeditive sectors as you call them if there is a global downturn they will up and leave and will not give a dam about irish workers.
It may not fit in with your outmoded political ideology but the facts are that employers and employees in most companies in Ireland have the same worries and the same financial pressures. The only fat cats that I see living off the sweat of the average “worker” are the ones earning six figure salaries while looking out of the offices with thick piled carpets at the top of liberty hall.SO the happy family relationship you talk about between workers and owners is completly ridiculous.
They are straight forward statements. In-efficiency and continued irresponsible spending of public money leads have repercussions.
I do have an axe to grind; Public sector workers want to work less hours, get more holidays and are " caring for patients" whilst doing so in an in-efficient manner using tax payers money but still want the same pay as everyone else.
leaves a lot of room open for exploitation if you ask me. And sorry if you get paid 10 E and hour and you work 50 hours you should get paid 500E if that is your contract. Responcible and effective employers will factor this into account when setting prices etc.
I suggested no such thing. BTW, the unions were bugger all use to the Turkish Gamma employees. Unions in Ireland are, to a large extent, political lobby groups who push around the government.
I am proud that members of my family were instramental in setting up the Irish Trade Union movement. They would be sickened if they saw what their life’s work had turned into.
What are you talking about? Most Irish employees working in the most competitive sectors are working for small to medium sized Irish companies. Where are they going to go?It may not fit in with your outmoded political ideology but the facts are that employers and employees in most companies in Ireland have the same worries and the same financial pressures. The only fat cats that I see living off the sweat of the average “worker” are the ones earning six figure salaries while looking out of the offices with thick piled carpets at the top of liberty hall.
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