How to pay utilities after someone has passed. solicitor & children as executor

[torbie]

Hello All

I have an elderly parent and Im thinking ahead as to what duties will fall to me and my sister when the inevitable happens :-( . Myself, my sister and a solicitor are names as executor. My father died 10 years ago and it was the same set up but obviously everything went to my mother. My father died suddenly as we were in no state to deal with anything. My mother and father had a joint account so my mother was just able to continue with services etc. the big funeral bill went through the estate and solicitor.
We had a horrible huge solicitor bill to pay at the end and it took me years to realise that we were all executors.

Im wondering now can I minimise costs as I have a slight bit more understanding of the process.

My mother has an account in her name only and alot of Direct Debit to pay bills. I know bills and utilities etc are paid from the estate. Do most people pay from their own money and reimburse themselves? If this is the case Im thinking that I will give the solicitor the receipts and will basically have to pay him to give me my own money back? But we are all executor, so should my sister and I be able to have access to the estate money too as there are 3 executors names? We are both stay at home mothers with not alot of cash flow, but there is more than enough money in the estate to pay for bills etc and skip hire to clean up the house (which will be a massive job as the house is packed full).

My sister and I do all her food shopping and paying bills outside of the Direct Debits. We were thinking of setting up a joint account in both our names and moving some money 6k to have for the future bills and let it sit there.

So my main question is - would we have to pay a solicitor to give us back our own money but all 3 of us are names as executor. Do all 3 of us not have the same 'powers' to access the estate funds and fulfil the duties of sorting out the house paying bills, property tax etc.

What are you suggestions/thoughts? - thanks

 

[DeeKie]

You could ask your mam to change the will to make just you and your sister executors and explain it is to avoid these big bills.

 

[Clamball]

Why not talk to your mother about this now while she is still alive. Suggest she change her will to remove the solicitor as executor, this way you and your sister can appoint your own solicitor and agree costs up front.

She can also plan and pay for her own funeral with a funeral director in advance which is the single biggest cost after death.

If you and your sister currently pay all bills do you have all receipts kept and logged. It may or may not be needed after death as queries may arise if you are looking for the money to cover these costs. Are you suggesting you get the €6K from your mum? You would need to be careful that it is clear that this is not a gift but an advance to pay bills.

Once the bank has been informed the account holder has died the account will be cease to pay out until probate has been granted, I don’t know the exact technicalities but for some specific bills, like house insurance, the executor will be able to pay those bills from the deceased account. Each bank has a bereavement section and policy about this. Check online for more details.

 

[Des Pondent]

We were thinking of setting up a joint account in both our names and moving some money 6k to have for the future bills and let it sit there.

On my parent’s instruction and with the full knowledge of all siblings, I had some of my parents money to pay for the funeral and all expenses until probate granted and house sold. Worked great for us.

 

[ClubMan]

Myself, my sister and a solicitor are names as executor.

Three executors has the potential for making things very complicated. Why not just one?

In any case it's one of the executor's (or executors') responsibilities to keep paying stuff like utility bills and, as suggested above, there are ways and means for this to be done during probate.

 

[mathepac]

What are you suggestions/thoughts? - thanks

Have you read this excellent Key Post?

You have already seen the costs of having a solicitor as executor when your father, may he RIP, passed. I agree 100% with @ClubMan, three executors is unnecessarily complicated and expensive. To avoid a repeat, go through the key post together and suggest to your mother that she changes her will to name a single daughter as executor.

There are ways to keep bills paid and monies lodged without moving monies around or creating new accounts to be tracked. You can do this by presenting the death certificate, will and executor's id (passport, driving licence, etc.) to the institutions concerned (banks, utility companies, etc) and having the name on the accounts changed to "Representatives of the late [name of deased]" The institutions can make copies of these key documents for the their records and the accounts can operate as normal, pre-probate.

HTH

 

[8till8]

Having recently gone through this, I would definitely open a joint account now and start paying all bills from this account, it may seem a lot of hassle but its much easier now than after your mother has passed.

While the banks do make arrangements to pay essential bills after the account holder has died, its still hassle that you won't need at the time -- I think its best to make space in your life for mourning by sorting out financial stuff in advance.

In our case, I didn't want to apply for probate myself so I got quotes from 3 solicitors based on me pulling all the information together and presenting it in a final form -- I ended up agreeing a fixed price for the job which I was happy with.

Its also worth asking your mother if she has any accounts or investments that your not aware of e.g. prize bonds, paper shares, life policies, LPT, pension etc