Correct.Edit: Articles 12 and 20 (2) seem to refer to pensions from each country being an accepted state of affairs so perhaps this is what the “unless otherwise provided” refers to. I’ll keep on reading and enjoy the highs and lows of “am I or am I not entitled to two pensions”!
Hi NRC. Thanks for your replies. I deleted my last post as I realised I had gone a rabbit hole! Easily done when you over research something, I find!Correct.
It's a while since I read the Treaty but it is more designed to eliminate potential for entitlements to working-age benefits in both Ireland and UK.
Two pensions can be drawn if the individual is eligible. But not clear if it provides guidance on your specific case.
This is an interesting one. I wonder if anyone on the forum has tried it.I very much doubt that DSP would accept that voluntary contributions in another jurisdiction could be used, but you might be able to make the case for paid ones.
So you would present it as something like the following :
I don't know if this would be acceptable.
- UK eligibility of 35 reached via eight paid years and 29 voluntary NI years, with eight paid years left over
- These eight paid UK NI years should be used to close the gap in Ireland to get you to 2080 PRSI contributions
There is the UK/Ireland bilateral treaty on social security which might shed light but it's not for the amateur.
I had an unusual case like this a few years ago and DSP would not give me a straight answer in correspondence. I got my local TD to put down a parliamentary question on the topic and I got a clear answer then.
Exactly my point/ question.This is an interesting one. I wonder if anyone on the forum has tried it.
If possible, it would mean that voluntary UK contributions may still make sense, even after you've qualified for the full UK state pension - if it were to allow you to allocate your earlier, paid, contributions to the Irish system.
Very interesting idea...I guess you won't know for 7 years. Hopefully, someone on the forum will have tested this before then.Exactly my point/ question.
I think I will continue paying annual NICS past full UK state pension entitlement stage as its only c£160 pa ...for now anyway.
I’m the OP on this and from subsequent enquiries that I’ve done I think it’s correct that overpayments of NICs will not count towards an Irish COAP.I don't think that you can combine your ni contributions with your irish to be paid the 2080. My understanding is that you are only paid for the number of Irish contributions by way of a notional calculation. Example my oh will probably be short of the 520 stamps but has 5 or 6 years in Spain. If the total adds to more than the 520 he will get something based in Irish stamps in Ireland and then may get something in Spain. I would love to talk to a specialist in this area to understand it more.
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