TheBigShort
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Firstly, well done on putting forward a proposal. Your solution was posted on another thread before and I thought it was a very good idea.
"How many landlords have quit because of rent controls? "
Can we call it a day on this?
You can end this nonsense now by answering a simple question.
How much return, at a minimum, on an average annual outlay of €4,000 would it take to make it worthwhile for you to provide a level of accommodation for a tenant that you currently provide in your capacity as a landlord?
Which is why, due to the failure of the market to deal with the social problems that you have highlighted, the State should use the tax system plus its own landbanks to secure land and engage the services of a provider with scale like Cairn Homes to build the homes that are needed right now. Where does the money come from? Borrow it at what are probably never to be repeated low rates.
There is anecdotal evidence of landlords leaving, plenty of "thinking of", "threatening to" leave, but little or nothing in hard facts.
Certainly, if no-one has produced some figures by now my guess is the answer is somewhere between zero and a lot less than some are making it out to be.
...There were 212,306 landlords [broken link removed] in 2012, which did [broken link removed] 179,026 in 2013, and [broken link removed] 160,160 in 2014. But since then, the number has been climbing again.
There were 170,282 landlords [broken link removed] the RTB in 2015, which rose to 175,250 in 2016, and again to 176,251 by the end of September 2017....
Sounds like down by 52,000 but increased by 16,000.
Consider population. (2010) 4,626,928 ~ (2018) 4,803,748
A question isn't simple, just because you say its simple. The only way to answer that question is to ask a whole bunch of questions about the stuff you've left out.
The Cheapest option is to rent a place then sublet it. See if you can do that for 4k legally. Start from there.
TBS, why don't you start a new thread around your proposal for a new model of social housing. You are derailing this thread about Landlords quitting and rent controls.
Thanks cremeegg, I disagree that I have derailed the thread but point accepted, my proposal should be in another thread.
This could have been a really useful thread but the last 10 or so pages have been torture. Nobody will bother reading it now.
Detailed and killed stone dead I would say.
Any chance you could lay off the personal jibes at those of us who waded through the detail of your crazy plan to expose it?My fault for entertaining posters who couldn't grasp basic detail.
Swimming in delusion.
It makes no sense neither in terms of common sense
Go off and study the basics
The whole idea is nuts
Can't you read?
your crazy plan
Any chance you could lay off the personal jibes
Exactly.
Attack an opinion by all means, but please don't attack the person expressing the opinion.
At all stages of this discussion, I have criticised your idea, in line with the posting guidelines.
I have not sought at any stage to impugn or criticise you.
Asking me if I can read. That is not personal jibe? Implying that my views are absent of conmon sense. That is not personal? Ordering me to 'go off and study basics....' is not an attempt to try and demean my intelligence?
Im quite happy to accept fundamental reasons as to why my ideas or suggestions wont or cannot work, but simply labelling them as 'harebrained' is not a sound reason, and yes it acts as a personal jibe.
Attack an opinion by all means, but please don't attack the person expressing the opinion.
Furthermore, your €250,000 figure is debatable given the ownership of land by the State in the first place.
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