going on reduced working hours. is it legal to have two jobs

Sister is working in a company west of Ireland. She has been given a reduced working hours, still does 35 hour week but needs more hours for mortgage and so on. She has been offered part time work in evenings, is it leagl for her to have 2 jobs? This will be one job in a few weeks time as her main job is on a thread? Any ideas?


Maximus

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Nothing at all to stop your sister having two (or more) jobs.... I admire her for taking the second job to keep up with her bills, and I wish her all the very best of luck!...

Of course her income from her second job will be taxable...

Darth...

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Thank you Darth,
yes she has little choice, in any case she is doing it until things stabilize in this land. Yes I am sure there will be tax! Thank you for the info.

Rgds
Maximus

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You're very welcome, Maximus....

I hope it all works out well for her... She's obviously a hard worker, and I hope it pays off....

Darth....

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Hi Maximus 152, I too say well done to your girlfriend! Your girlfriend is working for a company at the moment - just check her contract of employment for any kind of exclusive service clause. Also if a second job impacts somehow negatively on the job she already has her employer could have a legitimate complaint. Otherwise good luck!

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Do remember that the working time act still applies (that's the stupid law that stops hard working people doing the best for their families). She cannot work an average of more than 48 hours a week.
Personally I'd ignore it but that's just my opinion.

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Purple said:

She cannot work an average of more than 48 hours a week.

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Is that not just your employer can't force you to do more than 48 hours a week, sure how many people have a "unpaid job" at home looking after kids etc after a days works.

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paddyc said:

Is that not just your employer can't force you to do more than 48 hours a week, sure how many people have a "unpaid job" at home looking after kids etc after a days works.

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Nope, you can't work more than 48 hours a week. That's the law.
You're not meant to work in the black economy either.

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Okay folks I am getting a picture of what the issues are, tahnk you all! And not my Girlfriend Miss D


Maximus...

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Purple said:

She cannot work an average of more than 48 hours a week.quote]
Is that not just your employer can't force you to do more than 48 hours a week, sure how many people have a "unpaid job" at home looking after kids etc after a days works.

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The act limits the working hours of paid employment only. As an employee you are limited to 48 paid working hours a week. A reference period of six months can apply.

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Becky, can you fix your quote please?

I took the quotation marks around "unpaid job" to mean black economy, i.e. cash in hand. Black economy work is, by its nature, not covered since it shouldn't be happening anyway.

I am not sure if payment in kind, e.g. reciprocal child minding while two friends work different shifts, is counted as work as far as the act is concerned.

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Purple, I can't do it now. I was posting from my phone so not sure what happened.

What I mean by unpaid work is voluntary work, work at home such as washing the dishes, minding your own kids etc.

Black economy work would not come under this act in my opinion as it is illegal and would be tax fraud.

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Maximus152 said:

She has been offered part time work in evenings, is it leagl for her to have 2 jobs? This will be one job in a few weeks time as her main job is on a thread? Any ideas?

Maximus

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I have 2 employers.

I think my father had three at one stage.

You can have as many employers as you like.

As long as you can fulfill their wishes.

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Protocol said:

I have 2 employers.

I think my father had three at one stage.

You can have as many employers as you like.

As long as you can fulfill their wishes.

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The 48 hour limit still applies though, but I don't know how it's monitored.

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Purple said:

Personally I'd ignore it but that's just my opinion.

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Im inclined to agree BUT...I just hope that after working 48 hours shes not driving my bus or controlling my jet ect or looking after the safety of that chemical plant next my door!


...unless of course shes a junior doctor in one of our hospitals!

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becky said:

The 48 hour limit still applies though, but I don't know how it's monitored.

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Isnt there an option for the employee to opt out of this limit and work more that 48 hours ? Its there to protect the employee, to avoid expolitation ... but if the employee wishes , they can work more hours i think

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ajapale said:

Im inclined to agree BUT...I just hope that after working 48 hours shes not driving my bus or controlling my jet ect or looking after the safety of that chemical plant next my door!

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What if she worked 35 hours a week but spend each evening in the pub, or just watched TV 'till the small hours, getting 4-5 hours sleep a night. Would that be better?

Ajapale is making the legitimate point that work performance deteriorates over a given continuous working period. In some occupations (I'm sure not those of the OPs GF) this has serious consequences for the worker and others. I would hope any such professions have specialised guidelines and processes on this matter, though who knows.

We can't overly control people or workers. And some of them will perform poorly for reasons we can't control (I had alcoholic and mentally ill teachers during secondary school, and physically violent ones in primary school). There should however be legislation in place to try and avoid people from working too many hours, though I imagine 48 hours in the current climate might be restrictive. I would assume that figure wasn't plucked out of the air and is based off some research that indicates undesirable consequences if you regularly cross the 48 hour mark. I have no idea how this compares with our European neighbours, or what the latest research has to say about working hours.

That said, if what my HR manager told me recently is correct, the 48 hour directive only relates to paid employment. Quite why you should be free to run yourself into the ground for no pay but not for pay isn't immediately clear, I suppose it's what we call a point of principle.