charliehorse
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Are you sure that that's not simply a projection and, thus, meaningless? There's no legitimate investment that gives such a guaranteed net return. What exactly did they say in relation to this figure?They are claiming annual return average around 9.5% nett of fees for a managed ARF which sounds attractive.
You could start by posting your questions here to stay least get some opinion and food for thought.Should I stay talking to them or deal with my local agent?
The latter has not been very proactive hence the looking elsewhere.
Hi Clubman, Brendan and Dave.
Thanks for your rapid replys.
Fisher did not guarantee a return, they showed me a graph going from 1995 to 2022.
It showed €1m invested in 1995 would be worth around €12m today allowing for inflation.
Fees look to be 2% annually made up of 1.25% for portfolio management, .25% for custodian bank, .2% "wrapper"
and .3% cost of offload(?) and a one off fee of .35% fee to build the portfolio.
Not sure if I can legally post their graph on here..
An accountant friend says that anything tracking the S&P would have done roughly as good over that time.
I fully understand that with investing anything can happen including losing a large lump of my pension pot.
I was always fully transparent in my business dealings so I expect the same from the financial world.
Invested in what?It showed €1m invested in 1995 would be worth around €12m today allowing for inflation.
The protections of the Irish regulatory regime, including the Investor Compensation Scheme (“ICS”), apply to the activities of Fisher Investments Ireland. The ICS pays 90% of net loss up to a maximum of €20,000 in certain circumstances when an investment firm authorised by the Central Bank goes out of business. However, such protections do not apply in relation to the services of Fisher Investments UK, Fisher Investments, or any custodian or bank located outside of Ireland. The assets of clients in Ireland will generally be held with a custodian in Ireland. In addition, to the extent your assets are invested in non-Irish funds or ETFs, these protections will not apply. Additional information in respect of the ICS can be found online at https://www.investorcompensation.ie/.
We know that this is true because 40% of all insured Approved Retirement Funds (ARFs) in Ireland are just invested in cash deposits.
@Brendan Burgess its based on a study of life insurance company data so ARFs administered by insurance companiesHi Marc
That is frightening.
What does the "insured" bit mean? Managed by an insurance company?
To be honest, if there is a particular fund that was likely to outperform all others, then everyone would invest in it. Trying to predict what Fund will perform best over say the next 10 years is impossible. Ideally, you need to consider:Thanks Dave, Clubman and Conan for your inputs,
Dave, I see what you are saying.
There are no guarantees on future performance so really, they cannot justify large fees for something they only hope to achieve.
Yes I have sold the property and intend to invest the full amount of cash and rent into an ARF after taking the 25% tax free cash.
I have done a small bit of online share trading, spread betting and crypto dabbling over the years mainly for educational purposes.
I understand the risks, the fear and greed thing and the long term ups and downs of most things tradable.
You have to wonder that if Fisher is as good as they claim, why are the whole country not moving to them.
All I want is something with a reasonable chance of keeping my invested sum from reducing too much.
My present agent when pressed quoted around 1.25% which gives him a nice few grand every year.
I am going to meet him again to see what he can offer me for the 1.25% before I decide where to go.
Are there any particularly good performing funds out there? I did hear of a Merrion one that does exceptionally well.
I am always skeptical when advisors show me the returns they generated over the last few years. As Buffett said, " a rising tide lifts all boats. The S&P 500 would have achieved that return too over that period, so what are they doing that is better than an index?Hi Clubman, Brendan and Dave.
Thanks for your rapid replys.
Fisher did not guarantee a return, they showed me a graph going from 1995 to 2022.
It showed €1m invested in 1995 would be worth around €12m today allowing for inflation.
Fees look to be 2% annually made up of 1.25% for portfolio management, .25% for custodian bank, .2% "wrapper"
and .3% cost of offload(?) and a one off fee of .35% fee to build the portfolio.
Not sure if I can legally post their graph on here..
An accountant friend says that anything tracking the S&P would have done roughly as good over that time.
I fully understand that with investing anything can happen including losing a large lump of my pension pot.
I was always fully transparent in my business dealings so I expect the same from the financial world.
It's not frightening at all Brendan, when you realize that the report dates back to 2015 and that the data was representative of what was going on on the market in 2011/2012 when deposit rates were high and you didn't really have a problem getting 4%+ pa.Hi Marc
That is frightening.
What does the "insured" bit mean? Managed by an insurance company?
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