Brendan Burgess
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I think what Fintan O'Toole possibly means by this is that people (i.e. the "bad") turned down their appointment for the AZ shot and were "rewarded" by being given an appointment for the Pfizer jab. I have spoken to two people recently who did exactly that and there's been one poster on AAM that I've seen who also was "rewarded" by refusing the AZ vaccine. These people have all now received their second Pfizer jabs and so are fully vaccinated and so are very much protected against the D variant. Whereas the "good" are still waiting on their second AZ jab and so are therefore much less protected than the "bad".The good have ended unhappily; the bad have been rewarded.
How effective are the different vaccines against Delta
Pfizer: two studies reported by Public Health England that have not yet been peer reviewed showed that full vaccination (after two doses) is 88% effective against symptomatic disease and 96% effective against hospitalization.
Moderna: While more research is needed on Moderna’s efficacy against Delta, some experts believe it may work similarly to Pfizer since both are mRNA vaccines.
Johnson and Johnson: More data is needed to determine the effectiveness the vaccine against the Delta variant.
Astra Zeneca: As far as the Delta variant, two recent studies (neither has been peer-reviewed) showed, respectively, that full vaccination after two doses is 60% effective against symptomatic disease and 93% effective against hospitalization.
I'll have a go at these.What are the facts here. I can't find them.
1) Do we know what percentage of cases are the delta variant in Ireland? It seems that it will become dominant soon, but so far, it's not the dominant variant.
2) What is the difference between a double AZ vaccine and an AZ vaccine followed by an mRNA vaccine?
How much more likely am I to contract Covid?
If I do contract it, how much protection does the Double AZ give me from getting sick.
Brendan
We all will need a booster Odyssey and it's going to be Pfizer no matter what your primary vaccine was. AZ aren't being ordered from next month and AZ will only fulfill a portion of its contract.Given that Johnson is a similar profile vaccine to Astra Zeneca, I would be concerned about its effectiveness v Delta variant with only single dose.
I was keen on Johnson from the outset, single dose and done - in the end I got Pfizer and in light of Delta am relieved about that.
I would not be surprised if we see a situation where people over 50 who received Johnson require an mRNA booster.
Most of them didn't take a risk because word quickly went around the grapevine that if you refused the AZ jab you would then be offered the Pfizer. As a result they (as O'Toole calls them "the Astra dodgers" or "the bad") would be fully vaccinated weeks before "the good" who followed the official advice. O'Toole ends his article with "And if you make people feel foolish for obeying the authorities in a crisis, they will be less inclined to do so when the next one arrives". He's absolutely right.But they took a risk which paid off. It might not have paid off. They could have become very sick with Covid during the delay.
Agreed. I missed out on that grapevine information but had rung my GP in mid-April to ask whether they could vaccinate me. No, but they would put me on 'the list'. A week later, I registered for AZ (age 68), though I was annoyed at being bullied by Leo: I would go to the back of the queue / not be vaccinated till Autumn if I didn't take it.Most of them didn't take a risk because word quickly went around the grapevine that if you refused the AZ jab you would then be offered the Pfizer. As a result they (as O'Toole calls them "the Astra dodgers" or "the bad") would be fully vaccinated weeks before "the good" who followed the official advice. O'Toole ends his article with "And if you make people feel foolish for obeying the authorities in a crisis, they will be less inclined to do so when the next one arrives". He's absolutely right.
I really don't understand why that cohort would feel they were patronised or threatened.Agreed. I missed out on that grapevine information but had rung my GP in mid-April to ask whether they could vaccinate me. No, but they would put me on 'the list'. A week later, I registered for AZ (age 68), though I was annoyed at being bullied by Leo: I would go to the back of the queue / not be vaccinated till Autumn if I didn't take it.
On 28 April, I was vaccinated with first AZ. On 3 May, the GP rang to say I could get Pfizer with them if I hadn't registered.
Shortly afterwards, I was told officially I had a 'vaccine bonus' and was 'fully vaccinated' with AZ after 4 weeks - yes those words were used though they seemed bizarre and I wondered if they were a patronising sop to those of us who realised our compliance had not necessarily served us.
Now waiting for second AZ vaccine, which should come in the next couple of weeks.
I get it: it's a global pandemic, it's a moving target and we've secured and paid for these vaccines. I am deeply grateful for geographical privilege. Future compliance is not encouraged by patronising and threatening this cohort.
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