Face coverings to be mandatory in shops
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I dunno, what'll be different on 10th August? The announcement today was full of mights, shoulds, coulds maybes and perhapses, pretty much as expected, a ball of smoke. Pennys in Galway is getting it right, telling people not wearing masks to come back when suitably attired in line with the guidelines. Well done, two staff members at the door helping to ensure the safety of Pennys customers.
Explainer from The Journal on the new legislation - not that while these premises may not be covered by the legislation, it is possible they will still insist on use of a face covering:
www.thejournal.ie
- A few indoor places don’t fall under the requirement to wear coverings.
- Post offices, credit unions and banks do not fall under the regulations. Indoor facilities that include any of these three services are also exempt from the requirement.
- Anywhere that sells food or drinks for the principal reason of being consumed on the premises, such as restaurants, is also excluded.
- Places that mainly provide medical, dental or a few other healthcare services do not have the requirement.
Explainer: Everything to know about new face covering regulations
You have to wear a face covering in most shops from today.
www.thejournal.ie
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I think it is necessary to wear masks in public places. If everyone does not go to a store where the staff does not wear a mask, they will consciously wear a mask.
Does anyone know why these are exempt? Is it for security reasons or what?
I'm afraid I haven't read the definitive reason. That's a plausible reason. Also, it may be they are not defined in law as 'retail' and the wording specifically only applied to retail.
I assume because having people in masks walking into banks etc was seen as a security risk
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That would make sense if it was mandatory not to wear a mask.
Give it a go. Let us know what happens.
Interesting report that Covid19 can in fact be airborne, aerosolized up to 5 metres from infected patients in hospitals.
It makes massk wearing all the more important.
It makes massk wearing all the more important.
Maybe it's because banks. Post offices etc have glass screens in place to protect staff.
If they have a respiratory condition all the more reason they should be wearing masks.
Just noting that France have mandated masks in all workplaces from 1st September due to concerns about aerosol transmission:
www.irishexaminer.com
France mandating masks at all workplaces as virus reawakens
Rolling coverage of the international stories of interest to our readers
www.irishexaminer.com
There's a pretty good distillation here on why the US CDC changed theiradvice on masks:
Still Confused About Masks? Here’s the Science Behind How Face Masks Prevent Coronavirus
We talked to UCSF epidemiologist George Rutherford, MD, and infectious disease specialist Peter Chin-Hong, MD, about the CDC’s reversal on mask-wearing, the current science on how masks work, and what to consider when choosing a mask.
That's an article. Theres quite a long list of scientific peer reviewed trials in the actual medical literature i.e pub med that would say the opposite. Masks don't work. Just because WHO did a u turn doesn't make them work. They should be reserved for the hospital environment. To see them used and then littered all over town and country is another unwanted effect of bad government decision making. To see individual citizens turning on one another on here and in supermarkets over false science is also regrettable. I wont be wearing one and many people who do are wearing them entirely incorrectly. Therefore they are fooling themselves, wasting money and damaging the environment.
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Can you point to a study that conclusively proves that masks are 0% effective?
On what grounds?
Also, if 'masks don't work', why do they persist with using them in hospitals? Is it because they are so comfortable to wear all day?
agree this is disgraceful, as is all littering.
Reusable masks are easily purchased or sewn at home.
How much difference does it make? Don't know, but it doesn't cost me anything to wear it; so even if the positive impact is tiny, I'm prepared to do it.
Does it bother me to wear one in a shop or where required? No.
We've a long way to go yet on this virus.
It's an article summarising the reasons why the CDC changed their guidance on wearing masks.
They are better placed than any of us to understand the actual medical literature.
The evidence they have cited is very persuasive to me, everything from trial studies of droplets produced, to the data from different countries, to actual case studies e.g. of infected hairdressers or airline passengers.
It is the same evidence that has persuaded authorities in US states and EU countries, and the European CDC, to roll them out in more and more settings.
If you look at the figures for cases in health and nursing home settings in this country, the numbers drop dramatically in late April after their HSE changed their guidance on masks.
So clearly masks are effective in hospital and care environments.
Masks do work are suppressing transmission of the virus by droplets.
This is not just wearing of masks by health staff as PPE but wearing of masks by suspected patients to reduce the viral load they produce.
"False science" is a pretty strong claim and to be honest nothing you have quoted in support so far in any way justifies it.
The litter angle is a red herring.
There's disused tissues on the street, does that mean governments shouldn't have advised people pre-mask to cough or sneeze into tissues?
They don't work because many peer reviewed publications have proven they don't work. I can provide a link to selected publications but it would be a very long post. I see people wearing them incorrectly everywhere I go. On their foreheads, under their noses, holding or touching them with their fingers, positioned under the chin etc. Many of them look like they are already filthy. It's quite disgusting in fact. The virus particles are so tiny they can easily pass through cloth masks and surgical masks even N95 masks. They were never designed for use in general public. The ones people are using are also of poor design quality and provide no seal. I'm amazed the number of people that have bought into this bunkum when there is such a long list of peer reviewed publications out there showing they don't work. Its akin to snake oil. It is irresponsible of decision makers to suggest this policy as it gives users a false sense of security. Not to mention expense and damage to the environment.