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Hi guys, any downside of availing of this relief. I'm winding down a company, professional services, decent cash on account. Very few assets. Going to take a break for a year, and reset into a partnership in similar profession.

Advice please.

D
 
You have to make sure you meet the conditions to qualify for it. I'm not sure that winding down the company and taking the cash out qualifies. You have to actually sell the business for money and that is what qualified for entrepreneur relief.
 
You really need to go to your existing accountants for advice given that they are familiar with the background.

Retirement Relief or Entrepreneur Relief are available where businesses are being wound down and liquidated. The timing of the liquidation is important. For Retirement Relief, where the company’s assets are sold not more than six months prior to the appointment of a liquidator, the proceeds of liquidation can be treated as chargeable business assets which qualify for Retirement Relief. For Entrepreneur Relief you need to carry on the business up to the date the liquidator is appointed, and the liquidation is completed within a period of two years. You do not need to "sell a business" to qualify for Entrepreneur Relief

Jim Stafford
 
Agree that it's important to talk to accountant. Guidance is here: https://www.revenue.ie/en/tax-profe...ins-tax-corporation-tax/part-19/19-06-02b.pdf

Relevant section:

2b.8 Situations where the relief can apply

...

Company liquidations Relief can apply on the liquidation of a company, provided the company was carrying on a qualifying business up to the time the liquidator was appointed, and the liquidation was completed within a reasonable period of time. For this purpose, Revenue will regard a period of 2 years as being reasonable.
 
Hi Jim,
I'm basically winding down the company as there are ongoing changes within the profession I'm in. I'll be taking time away for personal reasons and then most likely forming a new partnership with a fellow professional. I became aware of the 10% relief by way of a conversation with a friend who is a tax consultant. I've checked and my company is a qualified company for the relief. I'm just being extra cautious as I don't want a tax bill in the future. I've heard of claw backs and I'm wondering can the revenue apply one. Just being cautious

D
 
I'm winding down a company, professional services, decent cash on account. Very few assets. Going to take a break for a year, and reset into a partnership in similar profession.

An acquaintance of mine is in a very similar situation which we were talking about recently: close company; decent cash; looking to wind it up; avail of entrepreneur relief and continue on thereafter as a sole trader.

Their tax adviser advised against this course of action.

Reference was made to Section 817 TCA and the possibility that it could be considered an income distribution and the individual may have to pay income tax rather than CGT.

If it was considered an income distribution, there would be no entrepreneur relief.

Definitely get advice on the matter.
 
We do a significant number of MVL's each year which are carried out to ensure shareholders benefit from either Retirement Relief or Entrepreneur Relief. We have yet to see any shareholders not being able to claim the reliefs where there are available. In each case the shareholders/directors took expert advice on the necessary steps from their own accountants/tax consultants.

Jim Stafford
 
Hi, I have a question regarding Entrepreneur relief. We have a limited company with cash & premises. Could we avail of relief and liquidate A ltd and still continue with current business under a different limited company?
 
I have a question regarding Entrepreneur relief. We have a limited company with cash & premises. Could we avail of relief and liquidate A ltd and still continue with current business under a different limited company?

You may not be able to avail of Entrepreneur Relief (ER).

I assume you meet the conditions for ER - working time, own 5%+, ltd co is a trading company, and shares owned for more than 3 yrs. Check this.

Does ER apply in a liquidation scenario? It can, assuming it meets the conditions in paragraph 2b.8 in the Tax & Duty Manual on ER:


However, anti-avoidance legislation could potentially cover this type of scenario.

Funds could be taken from A Ltd as a dividend subject to income tax rates. Instead, CGT is being sought on this transaction (@ much lower rates than income tax).

Revenue will look at the shareholding of "A Ltd" pre-liquidation and compare to the shareholding of the "different limited company". If there was no significant reduction, the liquidation proceeds could be deemed a distribution (and liable to income tax and not CGT).

The legislation does provide that the anti-avoidance provision will not apply where there are bona fide commercial reasons for the scheme.

Definitely worth getting professional advice on this.
 
Thanks AAA
Seems I need a specialist advisor. It sounds like many opinions on subject
We do tick all the boxes for getting it.
 
Thanks AAA
Seems I need a specialist advisor. It sounds like many opinions on subject
We do tick all the boxes for getting it.
You may not be able to avail of Entrepreneur Relief (ER).

I assume you meet the conditions for ER - working time, own 5%+, ltd co is a trading company, and shares owned for more than 3 yrs. Check this.

Does ER apply in a liquidation scenario? It can, assuming it meets the conditions in paragraph 2b.8 in the Tax & Duty Manual on ER:


However, anti-avoidance legislation could potentially cover this type of scenario.

Funds could be taken from A Ltd as a dividend subject to income tax rates. Instead, CGT is being sought on this transaction (@ much lower rates than income tax).

Revenue will look at the shareholding of "A Ltd" pre-liquidation and compare to the shareholding of the "different limited company". If there was no significant reduction, the liquidation proceeds could be deemed a distribution (and liable to income tax and not CGT).

The legislation does provide that the anti-avoidance provision will not apply where there are bona fide commercial reasons for the scheme.

Definitely worth getting professional advice on this.
Can a share buyback count for relief? Say company has NAV of €1.5m and this is cash with no liabilities. 150 shares in issue all owned by one person Would a buyback of 100 shares qualify? Seems very aggressive but not sure I can see why it wouldn't other than anti-avoidance?
 
Can a share buyback count for relief?

In principle, yes. As per the Tax & Duty Manual I referenced in post #9 above:

"Relief can apply where the share buyback is within the charge to CGT." (my emphasis)

Say company has NAV of €1.5m and this is cash with no liabilities. 150 shares in issue all owned by one person Would a buyback of 100 shares qualify?

The question is whether this transaction would be considered a distribution subject to income tax or whether it would be subject to CGT.

Let's assume for this example that share capital of only a nominal amount was subscribed for upon incorporation (relevant to (a) below).

Section 130(2)(b) TCA 1997 ensures that anything distributed out of the assets of a company (whether in cash or otherwise), in respect of shares in the company, is a distribution, except so much of it, if any, as

(a) represents a repayment of capital on the shares, or
(b) is, when it is made, equal in amount or value to any new consideration received by the company for the distribution.

Source: Page 6 here https://www.revenue.ie/en/tax-profe...ains-tax-corporation-tax/part-06/06-02-02.pdf

So, per first principles, this transaction is a distribution and subject to income tax.

Is it possible to get CGT treatment on a share buyback by an unquoted company?

It is, provided certain conditions are met.

Section 176 TCA states that references in the Tax Acts to distributions of a company, shall be construed so as not to include references to a payment made by a company on the redemption, repayment or purchase of its own shares if the company is an unquoted trading company and certain conditions are met. See page 4 here:


In the transaction proposed, the vendor (disposing shareholder) held 100% of the shares pre-buyback (150/150).

Post buyback they still hold 100% (50/50).

This is no different in substance to a dividend. With a dividend cash leaves the company but there is no change in shareholding %.

The same thing is happening in this transaction. Cash has left the company, the shareholder still owns 100% and is still connected with the company. You can see that condition "(g)" on page 4 is not met (condition "(h)" too).

If the conditions were all met and CGT treatment allowable on the transaction, only then would you start looking at Entrepreneur Relief to see if the conditions for that relief were met.
 
In principle, yes. As per the Tax & Duty Manual I referenced in post #9 above:

"Relief can apply where the share buyback is within the charge to CGT." (my emphasis)



The question is whether this transaction would be considered a distribution subject to income tax or whether it would be subject to CGT.

Let's assume for this example that share capital of only a nominal amount was subscribed for upon incorporation (relevant to (a) below).

Section 130(2)(b) TCA 1997 ensures that anything distributed out of the assets of a company (whether in cash or otherwise), in respect of shares in the company, is a distribution, except so much of it, if any, as

(a) represents a repayment of capital on the shares, or
(b) is, when it is made, equal in amount or value to any new consideration received by the company for the distribution.

Source: Page 6 here https://www.revenue.ie/en/tax-profe...ains-tax-corporation-tax/part-06/06-02-02.pdf

So, per first principles, this transaction is a distribution and subject to income tax.

Is it possible to get CGT treatment on a share buyback by an unquoted company?

It is, provided certain conditions are met.

Section 176 TCA states that references in the Tax Acts to distributions of a company, shall be construed so as not to include references to a payment made by a company on the redemption, repayment or purchase of its own shares if the company is an unquoted trading company and certain conditions are met. See page 4 here:


In the transaction proposed, the vendor (disposing shareholder) held 100% of the shares pre-buyback (150/150).

Post buyback they still hold 100% (50/50).

This is no different in substance to a dividend. With a dividend cash leaves the company but there is no change in shareholding %.

The same thing is happening in this transaction. Cash has left the company, the shareholder still owns 100% and is still connected with the company. You can see that condition "(g)" on page 4 is not met (condition "(h)" too).

If the conditions were all met and CGT treatment allowable on the transaction, only then would you start looking at Entrepreneur Relief to see if the conditions for that relief were met.
Very helpful, thank you very much.
 
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