Delays in rolling out vaccine

Leo

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Sitting on over 2m doses so enough currently have enough in stock to everyone due a booster a shot with extra supplies available if and when needed. If there are delays, it won't be down to vaccine availability.

So we have enough with some spare, but not drowning in it as suggested by tom.

Continuing to roll out boosters in priority order makes sense.
 

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So we have enough with some spare, but not drowning in it as suggested by tom.

Continuing to roll out boosters in priority order makes sense.

Well if we are to take the term drowning literally, then no we are drowning in vaccines but I think you know that he meant we have sufficient supply to give boosters to everyone which we do with existing supplies and available supply lines.

Rolling out boosters in priority makes sense when supplies were limited. The same argument doesn't really work this time when we have over 2m doeses sitting there. We seem to be changing the criteria every couple of weeks. One week it is over 70's, then two weeks later, it is over 60's, then 2 weeks later it is over 50's and in two weeks time, it will be over 40's.

I understand the difficulties around allowing time between doses and all the rest but it is time to just accept that everyone is going to need the third shot and roll it out accordingly. They are saying 5m between the second dose and the booster but like I said my mother in her late 70's will be almost 7 months. There is no excuse for that at this stage.
 

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Well if we are to take the term drowning literally, then no we are drowning in vaccines but I think you know that he meant we have sufficient supply to give boosters to everyone which we do with existing supplies and available supply lines.

Rolling out boosters in priority makes sense when supplies were limited. The same argument doesn't really work this time when we have over 2m doeses sitting there. We seem to be changing the criteria every couple of weeks. One week it is over 70's, then two weeks later, it is over 60's, then 2 weeks later it is over 50's and in two weeks time, it will be over 40's.

I understand the difficulties around allowing time between doses and all the rest but it is time to just accept that everyone is going to need the third shot and roll it out accordingly. They are saying 5m between the second dose and the booster but like I said my mother in her late 70's will be almost 7 months. There is no excuse for that at this stage.
Its 6 months min after 2nd dose, that's what approved by the regulators. My father got his 81, and it was just short of 7 months from his 2nd, Got it and pneumonia vaccine at the GP, Tuesday.

I really don't know how it's going to be sped up, they are at capacity now.
 
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Its 6 months min after 2nd dose, that's what approved by the regulators. My father got his 81, and it was just short of 7 months from his 2nd, Got it and pneumonia vaccine at the GP.

I really don't know how it's going to be sped up, they are at capacity now.

It's not. It's 5 months from NIAC now.


They are not giving the boosters at capacity now. The vaccine task force only got back together this week. They have capacity to do over 200k boosters a week but they are not doing that. I am sure there are valid reasons but we need to speed this up and just accept that everyone will need it.
 

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That story says " should " HSE is following the approval conditions of 6 months, that was tested in Clinical trials.

Well saying there not doesn't mean they aren't, my fathers GP in Douglas is " flat out with vaccines " including flu.

They are still trying to get the unvaccinated done too 200,000 a week?
 

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That story says " should " HSE is following the approval conditions of 6 months, that was tested in Clinical trials.

Well saying there not doesn't mean they aren't, my fathers GP in Douglas is " flat out with vaccines " including flu.

They are still trying to get the unvaccinated done too 200,000 a week?


A minimum interval of five months may be used when necessary for operational reasons. Recipients of COVID-19 vaccine Janssen should receive an mRNA booster dose after an interval of three months.

6 months is the ideal gap but 5 months is approved.
 

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Well if we are to take the term drowning literally, then no we are drowning in vaccines but I think you know that he meant we have sufficient supply
In fairness, tom is probably best placed to clarify, but I don't think anyone has ever used the expression 'drowning in' something to convey just enough. It's defined as overwhelming with an abundance, and is not synonymous with enough.
We seem to be changing the criteria every couple of weeks. One week it is over 70's, then two weeks later, it is over 60's, then 2 weeks later it is over 50's and in two weeks time, it will be over 40's.
Is that not just phasing by in priority order? There isn't unlimited capacity to vaccinate and using the appointment model as it stands will be quicker then developing a new portal to allow younger people request a booster.
 

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A minimum interval of five months may be used when necessary for operational reasons. Recipients of COVID-19 vaccine Janssen should receive an mRNA booster dose after an interval of three months.

6 months is the ideal gap but 5 months is approved.
"may be used when necessary for operational reasons " that's for Health care workers or other emergency workers, and other's who are vulnerable it certainly does not make it approved.
 
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"may be used when necessary for operational reasons " that's for Health care workers or other emergency workers, and certainly does not make it approved.

It does make the 5 month gap approved by NIAC. Here is the Minister Of Health

Health Minister Stephen Donnelly said yesterday: “Niac has recommended that a booster dose of Pfizer vaccine be offered to all those aged 60 to 79 who have completed their primary course with any Covid-19 vaccine.

“The booster dose should ideally be given six months – with a minimum interval of five months – following completion of the primary vaccination schedule.

But hey if you say something, it must be right......
 

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Whatever .......you should read what you posted
It does make the 5 month gap approved by NIAC. Here is the Minister Of Health

Health Minister Stephen Donnelly said yesterday: “Niac has recommended that a booster dose of Pfizer vaccine be offered to all those aged 60 to 79 who have completed their primary course with any Covid-19 vaccine.

“The booster dose should ideally be given six months – with a minimum interval of five months – following completion of the primary vaccination schedule.

But hey if you say something, it must be right..posted
 

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In fairness, tom is probably best placed to clarify, but I don't think anyone has ever used the expression 'drowning in' something to convey just enough. It's defined as overwhelming with an abundance, and is not synonymous with enough.

Is that not just phasing by in priority order? There isn't unlimited capacity to vaccinate and using the appointment model as it stands will be quicker then developing a new portal to allow younger people request a booster.

This site really gets ridiculous sometimes with people arguing over the most pedantic things. Quoting definitions of drowning. If you want to take everything at it's literal meaning then go ahead. But you know exactly what he meant but you still decided to make a point of pulling him up on the use of the word 'drowning'. Anyway, that is for him to argue.

Whatever .......you should read what you posted

'Whatever'??? Are you a 13 year old girl or something??

God forbid, you might actually find out something that you didn't know and just accept that. No easier to keep arguing that a 5 month gap is not approved despite me linking three sources to it. And I can keep linking if you like.... You on the other hand have linked nothing to show a 5 month gap is not approved. Unless you are saying that NIAC and the HSE are saying they can give a vaccine after 5 months if necessary but it is not approved???

So in your own words, Whatever.....
 

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I didn't mean to suggest that people are *literally* drowning in vaccination fluid. It was just a metaphor denoting that a lot of vaccines are available. I hope this clarifies it. :)
 
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There's plenty of vaccines available. There are plenty of people to give the vaccines. There's doesn't seem to be the capacity to track who has received them and who doesn't.
We are back to the structural inefficiencies of the HSE.
 

Paul O Mahoney

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Perhaps you should understand what approved/ approval and recommends mean.

NIAC do not approve vaccines, they reccomend how the vaccine can be used.
 

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This site really gets ridiculous sometimes with people arguing over the most pedantic things. Quoting definitions of drowning. If you want to take everything at it's literal meaning then go ahead.
This is a text based forum, if people use a phrase we must assume in the absence of other information that they use it as intended.

The phrase 'drowning in' is only used to mean literally drowning in something, or to be overwhelmed with something. It is ridiculous to assume anything else was intended.
 

Paul O Mahoney

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This site really gets ridiculous sometimes with people arguing over the most pedantic things. Quoting definitions of drowning. If you want to take everything at it's literal meaning then go ahead. But you know exactly what he meant but you still decided to make a point of pulling him up on the use of the word 'drowning'. Anyway, that is for him to argue.



'Whatever'??? Are you a 13 year old girl or something??

God forbid, you might actually find out something that you didn't know and just accept that. No easier to keep arguing that a 5 month gap is not approved despite me linking three sources to it. And I can keep linking if you like.... You on the other hand have linked nothing to show a 5 month gap is not approved. Unless you are saying that NIAC and the HSE are saying they can give a vaccine after 5 months if necessary but it is not approved???

So in your own words, Whatever.....
On a train posts messy, but NIAC do not approve vaccines, they " recommend " their use. And No they don't mean the same thing.

Vaccines are approved for use by the regulator, EMA and FDA for use after 6 months. ( after clinical trials)

NIAC, " recommends " using them after 5 months, despite the optimum time being 6 months as stated in your links and posts.

Why not use it at 4 months, 3 months? Where is the evidence that the vaccines are as effective at 5 months, we are not talking about a disprin here.

Edit, I downloaded the report on but haven't read it yet as away. Its 31 pages long, and I will try and understand the recommendations to 5 months.

HSE has the final say anyway as they actually are rolling out the booster.
 
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I received the single shot J&J back in early summer and want to get a booster before visiting my elderly parents but I looks like I won't be able to get it for many weeks if not months. The country is drowning in vaccines and the infrastructure to administer them is there, but due to a mixture of government incompetence and what looks like a couple of closet anti-vax "scientific" advisors everything has grind to a halt. I'm sure I'm not the only one who finds this frustrating. Vaccination should be voluntary but those who want it should not have to face patronising and incompetent government obstructionnism.
I'm reading that the booster is recommended for J&J after 3 months so you might get it sooner hopefully.
 

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I'm reading that the booster is recommended for J&J after 3 months so you might get it sooner hopefully.
I'll be over 5 months vaccinated this weekend... When is it likely that I'll be called for 3rd vaccine?

Is it after 5 or 6 months.. I'm genuinely confused when it will be.

Once there's walk ins... I'm straight there
 
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