In Denmark You needed a recent antigen to go out ,it has been way more successfully.Its numbers have stayed between 500 to 800 while fully open a long time before us .They also have been rid of masks for as long and covid is barely a topic of conversation anymore .No comparison really
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Denmark required vaccination status or recent negative test (including antigen) to access indoor hospitality, otherwise you had to be outside.
In Ireland, you need to be vaccinated or else you have to be outside.
I really don't see how that would make a significant difference to cases. I'm not convinced about their robustness, nor am I saying they have no place.
I think the difference between Irish cases and Danish cases have deeper explanations than antigen testing, certainly one of them is that Denmark is bordered by Germany, whereas we have N Ireland.
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I see that the over 60's may be approved shortly for a booster. I got my second jab last June. I would have thought that there should at least be a 6 month interval between jabs and boosters?
Good question - possibly by the time they get to you it might be 6 months gap.
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Looks like J&J will get the nod from FDA next week for a second jab, but they cannot call it a booster.
The story is on Fierce Pharma, can't link for some reason.
The story is on Fierce Pharma, can't link for some reason.
Denmark have only had ~24% fewer cases than we've had per 100,000 population. Not sure I'd consider that way more successful given their €13M per day investment in testing,
€13M per day is a chunk of money, but they've managed to achieve a cost per test an order of magnitude lower then ours. Government figures last year said cost to the state per test here was €200. You still think 350-400,000 tests a day is a good idea?
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Coronavirus (COVID-19) Infection Survey Technical Article: Impact of vaccination on testing positive in the UK - Office for National Statistics
The reduction in risk of testing positive for COVID-19 associated with vaccination overall and by different vaccine types using data from the Coronavirus (COVID-19) Infection Survey. Two time periods were analysed; when the Alpha variant was dominant in the UK (1 December 2020 to 16 May 2021)...
www.ons.gov.uk
This is a bit of a read but the 4 main points at the start will give the findings, the main point for me is that the vaccines, both AZ and Pfizer, gave similar protection as any natural immunity generated by actually getting infected.
The other point of interest was the vaccines ability to reduce transmission of the Alpha variant but they aren't so effective against Delta transmission, which we are seeing now .
Yes I read recently that with delta variant, virus loads are similar for vaccinated and unvaccinated for first 7 days. However after 7 days vaccinated viral load drops considerably. Also, that's for infected people. Haven't seen figures on whether vaccinated are less likely to be infected.
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Positive trial results for Valneva Covid vaccine
Blood results show it gets the body to mount an immune response to fight coronavirus.
www.bbc.com
Looks like another vaccine will be on the market soon, which is good news.
Further to this, study suggests fully vaccinated are half as likely to become infected as unvaccinated from Delta variant:
Fully Vaccinated Half As Likely To Catch Delta Covid Variant And Less Likely To Infect Others, Study Finds
There is a one in 13 chance unvaccinated people will get infected with Covid-19 if exposed to someone with the virus, the researchers found.
www.forbes.com
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It goes to say also that both vaccines only give 49% protection against actually getting the Delta variant, which is low if fact I would say very low.Further to this, study suggests fully vaccinated are half as likely to become infected as unvaccinated from Delta variant:
Fully Vaccinated Half As Likely To Catch Delta Covid Variant And Less Likely To Infect Others, Study Finds
There is a one in 13 chance unvaccinated people will get infected with Covid-19 if exposed to someone with the virus, the researchers found.
Essentially, and I and others have said this we must keep our social distancing and general good health practices, but my anecdotal evidence from a few pints yesterday, in a beer garden, everyone were in large clusters. I can't see the genie put back into the bottle now........
Yes when it comes to the Delta variant, the protection against getting infected is poor but when it comes to making the difference between severe cases and ICU etc it still seems to be holding up well, albeit there are breakthrough infections.
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We are still only in infancy when it comes to understanding how this virus works, if the flu season is harsh it could be a very long winter.
We really need this to be a year where the flu vaccine is a good match for the strains in circulation... I don't think we'll avoid the flu like we did last winter.
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Has anyone here already received the flu vaccine? who are fully vaccinated against covid. And if so how was the experience , I used to get the flu vaccine but haven't in the last few years, might have to revisit that decision.
Family member got it at same time as their covid booster.
I got it as an independent vaccine, I get it most years, used to get it in the office through Laya. They'd do vaccine bliz days.
This time arm was sore\tender for a few days, I had slight headache the next day.
I think try to get it at a time when you can take things easy \ normal routine, have an early night if you feel you need it ... don't get it if you are planning to travel \ big nights out \ DIY or anything like that.
You can get it in chemists although their slots book up fast, your GP might be better bet.
I’m fully vaccinated for Covid. (No booster yet)
My first flu vaccine experience was last year.
I got mine last Thursday. I went to my local pharmacy. Took 2 nurofen 30 minutes beforehand, I’m no martyr!
Very safe environment. No queue.
Based in Tesco.
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My first flu vaccine experience was last year.
I got mine last Thursday. I went to my local pharmacy. Took 2 nurofen 30 minutes beforehand, I’m no martyr!
Very safe environment. No queue.
Based in Tesco.
Marion
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Pfizer and Moderna to almost double Covid-19 vaccine sales in 2022
Two producers will control three-quarters of non-Chinese coronavirus vaccine market
This is an interesting read but in the story lies the announcement that Curevac , spelling? have dropped their vaccine which surprised me as its clinical trials were as good as the main producers.
If what they say is true and Pfizer/Biontech and Moderna will dominate this might not be a good thing.
Moderna doesn't have its own production facilities and won't for a least half a decade, Pfizer has streamed its production with drug substance being made here in Ireland, Grange Castle, and 3 other sites in Europe but it too is at capacity and should something break well supply will decrease.
When Pfizer/Biontech got out of the stalls first there were 10 other runners having only 2 even to supply western countries will not only drive prices up but will leave poorer countries once again left behind.
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The FT is reporting today p.9 that Pfizers Booster is 95.6% effective against Covid according to Pfizer and Biontech.
The study of 100k fully vaccinated people was giving the booster to 50% and a placebo to the other half.
5 who got the booster contracted covid and 109 in the placebo group.
The trial took place during a period when Delta was prevalent., and the median time between 2 and booster dose was 11 months with a median follow up time of 2.5 months.
The report goes on to mention various specialists and scientists are very happy with the results.
This is the first randomised study of any booster to date. Median age was 53 range 16 to 65plus and all subgroups were included.
The study of 100k fully vaccinated people was giving the booster to 50% and a placebo to the other half.
5 who got the booster contracted covid and 109 in the placebo group.
The trial took place during a period when Delta was prevalent., and the median time between 2 and booster dose was 11 months with a median follow up time of 2.5 months.
The report goes on to mention various specialists and scientists are very happy with the results.
This is the first randomised study of any booster to date. Median age was 53 range 16 to 65plus and all subgroups were included.
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Leo, have you got a link to that?
I don't doubt that it's correct but it seems staggeringly high, even for our bloated and inefficient health service.
Edit: I found a reference from last year here. Private testers charge €90 and make a profit. Why does it cost the State more than twice as much when they have far higher economies of scale?
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