Delays in rolling out vaccine

We are the third largest exporter of Pharmaceuticals globally. It is remarkable that no vaccine is produced here,
 
Purple said:
We are the third largest exporter of Pharmaceuticals globally. It is remarkable that no vaccine is produced here,
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Can't spare the capacity. Men still need the lift from Viagra and women still need to get rid of wrinkles with botox!
 
MSD are one of the worlds biggest generics manufacturers so they have the capacity to onboard vaccine and other manufacturing processes developed elsewhere. They employ around 3000 people in their 6 sites here. Is anyone talking to them?
Pfizer are already making their vaccine and using their Grange Castle facility for testing but why aren't they manufacturing there? That facility specialises in Protein Drug Discovery so they are as close to ready as any plant in the world. Pfizer also employ over 3000 people here.
 
Purple said:
MSD are one of the worlds biggest generics manufacturers so they have the capacity to onboard vaccine and other manufacturing processes developed elsewhere. They employ around 3000 people in their 6 sites here. Is anyone talking to them?
Pfizer are already making their vaccine and using their Grange Castle facility for testing but why aren't they manufacturing there? That facility specialises in Protein Drug Discovery so they are as close to ready as any plant in the world. Pfizer also employ over 3000 people here.
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I think the French Government put pressure on Sonofi to produce rivals vaccines since they weren't ready with their own so they will be producing Pfizer one by the summer. I doubt we are doing the same.
 
that article puts alot of rumour mongering about the astra zenaca vaccine to bed. They didn't test so much on the older age groups because oxford wanted good data on the younger age group first, suggesting that it had low efficacy in older age groups was just lies and rumour mongering. Also the UK ordered their vaccines 3 months before Eu so they had 3 extra months to sort production issues for UK sites. There was no firm contract to deliver a set amount of vaccines by a set date, merely their "best efforts ". The Eu and ema were simply too slow in getting their house in order.
 
joe sod said:
that article puts alot of rumour mongering about the astra zenaca vaccine to bed. They didn't test so much on the older age groups because oxford wanted good data on the younger age group first, suggesting that it had low efficacy in older age groups was just lies and rumour mongering. Also the UK ordered their vaccines 3 months before Eu so they had 3 extra months to sort production issues for UK sites. There was no firm contract to deliver a set amount of vaccines by a set date, merely their "best efforts ". The Eu and ema were simply too slow in getting their house in order.
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That's what it looks like alright. I also admire the way they are resisting pressure to ship to rich countries first.
 
Sunny said:
I think the French Government put pressure on Sonofi to produce rivals vaccines since they weren't ready with their own so they will be producing Pfizer one by the summer. I doubt we are doing the same.
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Thats one there may be more . They will be filling the vials.
Grangecastle is producing other vaccines and its operating at capacity.
A few years ago it was going expand as it has the land but that was shelved.
Merck does have plants but are they vaccine ready ? Merck isn't pursuing their vaccine so might have capacity elsewhere.
 
joe sod said:
that article puts alot of rumour mongering about the astra zenaca vaccine to bed. They didn't test so much on the older age groups because oxford wanted good data on the younger age group first, suggesting that it had low efficacy in older age groups was just lies and rumour mongering. Also the UK ordered their vaccines 3 months before Eu so they had 3 extra months to sort production issues for UK sites. There was no firm contract to deliver a set amount of vaccines by a set date, merely their "best efforts ". The Eu and ema were simply too slow in getting their house in order.
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Does it? Thats one side of the story from Astrazeneca.
The EU want them to publish the contract and let everyone see what was agreed.

I'm not sure how this is going to be resolved but there is plenty of information from both sides to be verified .
 
Just to keep the information flowing, watching the BBC news and they mentioned a company Valneva who are producing their own vaccine in Scotland. They are a French Biontech.
They are still in trials but the UK has already ordered 60m doses.
I never heard of this company but its good news
 
Paul O Mahoney said:
Just to keep the information flowing, watching the BBC news and they mentioned a company Valneva who are producing their own vaccine in Scotland. They are a French Biontech.
They are still in trials but the UK has already ordered 60m doses.
I never heard of this company but its good news
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Meanwhile the EU Commission has "Concluded exploratory talks" with them.
 
www.theguardian.com

Britain and EU clash over claims to UK-produced Covid vaccine

EU health commissioner dismisses AstraZeneca argument it is contractually obliged to supply UK first
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In a withering statement, Stella Kyriakides said the UK should not earn any advantage from signing a contract with AstraZeneca three months before the EU’s executive branch put pen to paper.
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“The UK agreement was reached in June, three months before the European one,” Soriot said. “As you could imagine, the UK government said the supply coming out of the UK supply chain would go for the UK first. Basically that’s how it is.”
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Purple said:
Meanwhile the EU Commission has "Concluded exploratory talks" with them.
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Will be interesting to see where this ends up. The fact that they signed a deal with the UK first can't in any way absolve them of the terms of the EU contract, and their response must be galling to the EU who funded much of their capacity expansion. I wonder what was the difference between the August iteration of the EU contract and the one reported as sealed in June via the IVA.
 
Seem to be growing reports that EMA will only authorize AZ vaccine for under 65s, and up to individual countries if they want to give emergency authorization for use on over 65s. This greatly complicates our vaccine rollout strategy as I think government had planned on distributing this to over 70s via GP network. Also, you may have at risk people understandably demanding Pfizer instead..
 
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Why not give us a choice? According to the German Health Minister around 8% of participants in the AstraZeneca trial were over 65
and they quote a figure of 341. Around 4% were over 70. The government has latterly come in for criticism for recommending cocooning for this age group at the beginning of the pandemic and creating the impression that it was a legal requirement. Now they are hell bend,if they receive approval, on vaccinating us with the least effective vaccine available.
We are not children, we are able to weight up the risks
 
valery said:
Why not give us a choice? According to the German Health Minister around 8% of participants in the AstraZeneca trial were over 65
and they quote a figure of 341. Around 4% were over 70. The government has latterly come in for criticism for recommending cocooning for this age group at the beginning of the pandemic and creating the impression that it was a legal requirement. Now they are hell bend,if they receive approval, on vaccinating us with the least effective vaccine available.
We are not children, we are able to weight up the risks
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How should that work? Should they rock up to you house with a menu?

None of the vaccines have been tested at high volumes on older people because vaccines aren't tested like that.
None of them have been tested on children either because vaccines aren't tested on children.
 
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