Currency Protection

WicklowGael

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Hi,

I have the bulk of my money invested in north American shares on the NYSE and Nasdaq and were purchased in dollars.

I am trying to mitigate against the dollar losing its value over time. A lot of these companies also trade on the TDG in Germany.

Am I right in thinking that by buying future shares on the TDG, if the dollar loses value, I will be protected against this currency loss by having purchased them in euro on the TDG,

Or am I missing something

Thanks for replies
 
Surely (market arbitrage excepted) the ultimate value of the share will be the same regardless of what currency the shareholding is denominated in?
 
Surely (market arbitrage excepted) the ultimate value of the share will be the same regardless of what currency the shareholding is denominated in?
That seems like a valid point.
So all things being equal, is there any advantage or disadvantage between buying on nasdaq v TDG
 
What is TDG?
Isn't the German stock exchange the DAX?
Are you referring to some broker here?
So all things being equal, is there any advantage or disadvantage between buying on nasdaq v TDG
All things may not be equal - e.g. charges for trading on different exchanges (maybe a marginal concern for buy and hold long term investments), liquidity/activity on different exchanges, cross jurisdictional/witholding tax issues arising etc.
 
A lot of shares will have some in-built currency protection by virtue of large companies having assets and businesses throughout the world in other currencies.
We saw this when the pound lost a lot of value in the wake of Brexit, the FTSE 100 actually rose, mitigating some of the shareholders currency losses.
 
Hi, I have the bulk of my money invested in north American shares on the NYSE and Nasdaq and were purchased in dollars. I am trying to mitigate against the dollar losing its value over time. A lot of these companies also trade on the TDG in Germany. Am I right in thinking that by buying future shares on the TDG, if the dollar loses value, I will be protected against this currency loss by having purchased them in euro on the TDG,

When you buy e.g., a share denominated in USD you take on: (a) the risk of holding the share, i.e. the volatility in the share price between the time of purchase and the time of sale; and (b) the risk i.e. volatility of USD/EUR currency movements between the time you buy the share and the time you sell it.

By buying shares denominated in a currency other than your functional currency (i.e. the EUR) you take on fx risk. If you buy a USD share priced in EUR, the EUR share price is the USD price at the USD/EUR fx rate of the day of purchase. And when you sell it the EUR price is the USD price at the fx rate of the day of sale. (And, in addition to normal charges, you will also pay a fx commission on the buy and sell.)

So if you buy on e.g. the NYSE your broker will buy USD to make the trade, and charge you for it, or, if buying on a eurozone exchange, the exchange will quote you a price that includes the USD/EUR fx (and their commission). When you sell the share, your broker will convert the sale into EUR at the fx rate of date of sale; or if selling on a eurozone exchange, the price quoted will include the EUR/USD fx rate of that day.


Surely (market arbitrage excepted) the ultimate value of the share will be the same regardless of what currency the shareholding is denominated in?
Only on the time/day of the trade. For example, a share priced today at say 50 USD on the NYSE, should by priced at about 47 EUR on a eurozone exchange, at today’s exchange rate of 1/0.94 USD/EUR, before charges are applied,. But even if the share price remains static in USD, if the fx changes this will change the price in EUR, because of changes in the relative values of the currencies.


A lot of shares will have some in-built currency protection by virtue of large companies having assets and businesses throughout the world in other currencies.
We saw this when the pound lost a lot of value in the wake of Brexit, the FTSE 100 actually rose, mitigating some of the shareholders currency losses.
Correct, because currency volatility generally has a low correlation with market risk. But this does not rule out situations where both equity markets and fx move in parallel. Here’s an example from SeekingAlpha Retail Currency Hedging For Your Equity And Bond Positions | Seeking Alpha . At the time of Covid, “a US investor who invested in the UK's FTSE 100 at the beginning of March 2020 would have in two weeks lost 25% from the indexes move lower and another 4.3% from the devaluation of the pound.”
 
There are extended trading times on that exchange on degrio but the fees are higher. The liquidity on the exchange can also be very poor.
 
Am I right in thinking that by buying future shares on the TDG, if the dollar loses value, I will be protected against this currency loss by having purchased them in euro on the TDG,
No, the exchange, and the currency you buy in make absolutely no difference.

Example US Company worth $100Million has 100Million shares each worth $1
You buy 1 on US exchange for 1$ and one on EU exchange for 1Euro (at a time when 1EUR=$1) Total value $2=2EUR
Then the value of the dollar falls. Now $1=0.5EUR. But the company is still worth $100Million (assumes most of companies Revenue comes from the US). Now the value of your EUR share will still be $1 but because of the exchange rate it will be priced as EUR0.5. Your total Value will be $2=1EUR


i.e. you have not protected yourself from the currency fluctuation.

There are currency Hedged ETF's and these do actually protect you from the currency fluctuation. However the general wisdom is that over the long term, for the average investor, the extra fees that you pay for the currency hedge actually leave you worse off.
 
Okay thanks for very well explained answers.

So in theory, if currency fluctuation is of real concern to me, I would be better off investing in companies based in the eurozone rather than in the US ( if my belief may be that the dollar will lose value long term)

So all else being equal such as profits, free cash flow, dividends etc
Company A (based in France and trades in euro) is a better purchase than
Company B (based in Boston and trades in dollar)

assuming my belief that the dollar will lose value over time


Rather than my previous thinking that by just buying them on a euro exchange would protect me from the dollar losing value
as ultimately when I go to sell them in the future, the share price is just converted from euro back to dollar on the day of the sale.
 
If you buy shares in a company that trades worldwide (as most of the larger companies do), then their sales, costs & profits are all affected by the Eur/USD exchange rate
 
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